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Old 10-13-2009, 02:15 PM
 
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Right because our demographics and population fit that of Scandavian countries. I love how liberals never address the obvious

In all of these examples, I've have yet to witness a UHC country with 300 million + in population that borders a country in which millions of illegals enter their country illegally each year.
Azriver, Americans want health care reform. Why don't Republicans ever address the obvious?
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Old 10-13-2009, 02:16 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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All you have to do is look at the shape medicare is in to see how its going to run.

I dont get why this gov doesnt fix medicare before trying to start something else.
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Old 10-13-2009, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Azriver, Americans want health care reform. Why don't Republicans ever address the obvious?
I think they do address the obvious in the field of health care reform. It seems to me that progs are more in favor of public option and care little about reform. Why not just reform those things that will help and forget about public option? Surely those stupid Republicans can see that we can never have government run health care until we arrive at single payer health care. Maybe they do recognize that part and are fighting it. That is certainly the part of the whole thing that I don't like.
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Old 10-13-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Azriver, Americans want health care reform. Why don't Republicans ever address the obvious?
Yes most want reform, not this mess of a bill that we can't afford.
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Old 10-13-2009, 02:56 PM
 
Location: California
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Sounds like a employee problem in the OP's situation. Those folks would be local right? People who live in the clinic area? Maybe people who live there just aren't that bright.
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Old 10-13-2009, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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I think they do address the obvious in the field of health care reform. It seems to me that progs are more in favor of public option and care little about reform. Why not just reform those things that will help and forget about public option? Surely those stupid Republicans can see that we can never have government run health care until we arrive at single payer health care. Maybe they do recognize that part and are fighting it. That is certainly the part of the whole thing that I don't like.
I agree. Why can't we attack the waste and fraud and offer only a catastrophic plan for people? Why do we need to give billions for Sex Ed? Why do we need to include acne medicine? There is too much waste in this current bill that says it addresses waste. I think we could fund St. Judes to help our terminally ill children for far less than the sex ed will cost.
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Old 10-13-2009, 03:11 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Why don't conservatives ever give Scandinavian countries as their examples of government run health care? Oh wait, they are efficient and successful. It weakens their argument.
Listen.... I would take Gov't health care ALL DAY if I thought it would be efficient. IT WONT. How do I know? Name (1) efficient U.S. Gov't program.

Just 1.

Name it...... you can't, can you?

I would rather compare it to U.S. DMV service*

(*NJ DMV was outsourced to private firms and is now efficient. A tak that used to take hours of lines and forms now takes 10 minutes)
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Old 10-13-2009, 03:17 PM
 
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If your kids a little chunky private insurers wont cover them...Did you realize that? Just crazy but that appears to be what some want to be stuck with. No insurance for chunky infants...So sad it's funny.

Fat baby denied health care by gracious health insurnce company. - Page 3 - Baltimore Sun talk forum
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Old 10-13-2009, 03:22 PM
 
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Listen.... I would take Gov't health care ALL DAY if I thought it would be efficient. IT WONT. How do I know? Name (1) efficient U.S. Gov't program.

Just 1.

Name it...... you can't, can you?

I would rather compare it to U.S. DMV service*

(*NJ DMV was outsourced to private firms and is now efficient. A tak that used to take hours of lines and forms now takes 10 minutes)
The military can move tons of equipment in days, the post office can transport a postcard across the country in 2 days for less the 2 quarters, TSA was propped up by Bush, yes Bush and has worked effectively. We should demand that OUR government work effectively not turn to a private insurance indistry that doesn't care.
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Old 10-13-2009, 05:59 PM
 
Location: OB
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Please quantify WHY healthcare should be considered a right and not a privilege. By the very nature of an inherent right it cannot be in competition with other rights. So-called rights whose provision necessitates stealing the property of others cannot be considered rights since they cannot exist without violating private property rights.
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Why would I choose to pay for healthcare if I have an "option" of moving into the government's fold? Even if the "option" must be paid for ... if it is cheaper why wouldn't I switch? Isn't this exactly what happened in Hawaii?
It looks like Massachusetts will start rationing, I mean limiting patients hospital options.

I know it is against the narrative (Why don't Republicans ever address the obvious?) but the Republicans do have an alternative health care reform plan - The Patient Choice Act '09

Scandinavia
Value Added Tax = 25%. Excise Taxes: Swedish gov't levied a 100% excise tax increase on snuf in 2006, and another 50% increase in 2007; until that point the industry was growing at 10% per year in terms of volume. Taxes and more taxes (scroll down to taxes in link). Cars are super expensive, you pay 180% registeration fee before paying tax on tax then a VAT of another 90% is added the amount you will be taxed on. One family, one car. Most transportation is by bike or mass trans. Gas is $9. Home ownership is mostly hereditary. 40% of the population of Denmark pays 63% in income tax. Labor union membership is obligatory (http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/articles/percent-101553-tax-taxes.html - broken link). Our guide informed us that she makes $60,000 a year and has to pay about 75 percent in taxes, taking home only $15,000 (http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/articles/percent-101553-tax-taxes.html - broken link).

And about the baby thing. They did eventually cover him. What the article fails to mention - how many insurance plans does Colorado offer and did their obese baby qualify for another plan with maybe a higher premium?
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