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the guy should grab his stuff and get the hell out of office bam bam =fail
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
And the whining of a few is preventing Congress from passing anything ?
I didn't know a minority of whiners held so much power over Congress.
You give much credit and power to the few Republicans in Congress.
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Originally Posted by cagey cretin
W had the Economy humming until pelosi and ried came along in 06.
right saggy
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
Saggy-
You are definately entertaining. Newsflash-
1. The deficit is soaring under "your man"
2. The deficit is the cumulative burden of every president since ww2
3. Social programs are the largest part of the budget
4. Social programs and mandating mortgages to people who could not afford them wrecked the economy
5. For the millionth time- Clinton ADDED to the deficit- there was no surplus
6. The currecny is in the tank and we are headed to default by 2020
7. The new estimates for Bammer's healthcare package, which is supposed to be budget neutral, will result in robbing medicare and raising taxes on "cadillac" healthcare plans from his buddies in the unions (great way to get re-elected there, Saggy) and inicreased income taxes on everyone. All to give insurance to 29 million, which will result in 25 million losing insurance. The man is a genius.
8. Most Americans do not want Bammer's health care reform. Because you are a provincial limosine liberal and do not get out much, you do not know that.
Overall, Bammer is doing exactly what his master (George Soros) wants- to destroy the financial basis of the US and destroy the middle class. Bammer is a traitor to his country and is working on dismantling the greatest nation ever created to satisfy his internationalist masters. The public is not as dim as you limosine liberals think, Saggy.
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Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90
I agree, he needs to grab a map and a brain and go back to Chicaaaago.
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Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90
Past year?
you have the SUPER MAJORITY and have ZERO ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN 3 YEARS!!
Still waiting on you to list one single MAJOR accomplishment of Barrack Insane Obama.
The biggest mistake in American history was the election of this empty suited moron.
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Originally Posted by neil0311
That is such BS. Critics (and even some supporters) of the current proposal have been offering alternatives and have alternatives ready and waiting. The problem is that Pelosi, Reid, and probably Obama aren't interested in any alternatives and want what they want, so what Obama is really saying is "grab your mop and mop exactly like I do" not offer realistic or better options for debate.
It never ceases to amaze me how champions of so-called diversity want nothing but lockstep thinking, but I guess that's politics as usual.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
The mentality is: "You're either with us or a domestic terrorist".
It's no longer considered debate.
Years from now. The 1st 6 years would involve putting into place revenue mechinisms (taxes) to generate the income they need to finance their pipe dream. This will begin with a tax on insurance premiums for those who currently have Health Insurance.
His promise not to raise taxes on those making $250 Gs a year or less is a lie. Hes going right after the middle class two income family who is already struggling.
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Originally Posted by midagegirl
I have a question if this public option takes affect when would take affect months for now or years from now?
Years from now. The 1st 6 years would involve putting into place revenue mechinisms (taxes) to generate the income they need to finance their pipe dream. This will begin with a tax on insurance premiums for those who currently have Health Insurance.
His promise not to raise taxes on those making $250 Gs a year or less is a lie. Hes going right after the middle class two income family who is already struggling.
thanks for the reply - i already heard the insurance companies are going to raise their rates to cover all the preexisting conditions they would have to cover this is going to be a mess.
Although I totally agree that the POTUS and the Democrats in Congress need to tell the Republicans to "take a long walk off a short pier"....Obama has held out way too many olive branches to the right to get them on board, they have proven themselves to be nothing more than obstructionists as they sit in the pockets of the lobbyists. When Bush was squatting in The Oval Office, they enabled him and gave him everything that he wanted, including the funding for a war that was illegal in the first place. This goes for the Blue Dog Democrats just as well. Bipartisanship is lost on these Congressional whores.
There is only one reason Obama wants "bi-partisanship" and that is so he can point the CYA finger if anything goes wrong: "The Republicans voted for it too!"
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Originally Posted by Jadex
Obama cracks me up when he talks about what he inherited like he didnt help create the mess. Someone needs to remind him of his job before he became president
Yes, and what's worse is that he voted "present" just about every time.
That's really a significant stand to take, shows a decisive position, doesn't it, and helps further the business of the country. I call that "holding the mop", not using it. Based on that, I'd say he doesn't know how to use a mop.
And, as anyone who has ever mopped knows, if you use a mop the wrong way, you're just going to spread the mess over a wider area.
thanks for the reply - i already heard the insurance companies are going to raise their rates to cover all the preexisting conditions they would have to cover this is going to be a mess.
If only Congress had the guts to make them into non-profits. Any profit they made would have to result in lower premiums for customers.
They wouldn't be allowed to offer outrageous salaries either.
Other countries have seemed to figure this out. I don't know why we can't get with it.
It's the right-wing that's failed...again. Failed to contribute anything over the past year but mindless spoiled-brat whining and screaming. This after their guy drove the country straight into the ground head first, both domestically and internationally. There isn't a broader definition of failure than what the example of the right-wing has given us...
Keep repeating that lie republicans have offered many amendments that have been voted down by democrats.
The bill to stop funding acorn came from a republican
Keep ignoring what Obamas job was before he became president
Keep ignoring who had majority the last couple yrs of Bush
Actually, the projected FY2009 deficit was $1.2 trillion when Obama took office. Over the next eight months plus, it "ballooned" to $1.4 trillion.
But in the larger and more important sense, if ever there were a time to run massive deficits, this would be it. Thanks to Republican bungling, a near-collapse of global credit and financial markets was brought about, and failure to address the problems early on let those problems bleed out into the broader economy, leading to collapses in household demand and in corporate demand. Government demand is all that's left to plug those gaps, and massive deficits are what it takes to supply that demand. Nobody likes running massive deficits, just as nobody likes fighting wars. Bush did both for no reason at all. You could argue over Obama's positions on Afghanistan, but on the deficits, you've got nothing whatsoever to say.
No it isn't. It's the annual difference between budget receipts and outlays.
Everything the government does is a social program. Social programs are 100% of the budget. What you are possibly trying to refer to are social welfare programs. Those are where there is insufficient profit potential for the private sector to bother doing anything at all about widespread human suffering among our citizens, so we use social programs as a primary means of alleviating that suffering.
Expenditures in social welfare programs actually generate more economic activity per dollar than almost any other use of funds. That's one reason why there was heavy emphasis on social prgrams in ARRA. There was never any program mandating mortgages to people who could not afford to service them. This is an oft-repeated right-wing falsehood. Merely being oft-repeated does not turn falsehood into truth.
For the millionth time -- you don't have a clue. The budget deficit and the public debt are two different things. One example: The cash collected by Social Security that is not used to pay current benefits contributes to the unified budget as a receipt. It either increases a budget surplus or diminishes a budget deficit. As they aren't currently needed, those funds are invested in US Treasury securities. All outstanding US Treasury securities are a part of the public debt, hence the public debt goes up. Deficit goes down, debt goes up. Is that too complicated for you?
As for the Clinton surpluses, they all appear as bright as day in every historical series of budget data published in the past eight years. How you can insist that they aren't there is inexplicable, unless you simply haven't bothered to look at the data, or did and decided simply to ignore what you saw there.
Mere wishful thinking on your part.
You got lost after the packages are budget neutral. No Medicare robbery will occur, unless you count eliminating insurance company fraud and abuse as robbery, or perhaps it's cost reductions that have been negotiated with hospitals, doctors, and drug and medical device manufacturers that you consider to be theft. Some union health plans could be in the still gray area of what will be taxed under existing proposals. There are worse things. Such as continuing to see overall health care costs increase by 13-15% per year. That will turn a Cadillac into a Yugo right quick. Which income tax on everyone were you talking about? The 29 million is a net number, and the 25 million number is entirely bogus. Whether right-wing flap-jaws like it or not, where no one before him has succeeded at it, Obama will be delivering health care reform, and though it will be only a start at the process, the nation will be much better off for it.
I don't see how my status, whatever that might be, would have any relevance to the matter at all. This seems to me to be merely a low-life and not at all veiled attempt at sleaze-ball personal attack.
It isn't so much dim that concerns me as delusional.
I love to read the words of Marxists. It is certainly funny to hear people actually defending marxist theory, when, since its inception, socialism/communism has failed in every venue it was tried. Only in Saggy's mind is it a viable option for the US, just as the rest of the world is turning against socialism. Great timing there, Saggy.
1. No cuts in medicare? So why are they talking about these medicare cuts? Is it just imagination? I love it when they talk about the "savings in medicare". If there was any fat in that system, it would have been "cut" years ago. Many physicians will soon refuse medicare/medicaid patients, as we currently lose money on all of them. It will be a great "healthcare system". You can have coverage, but no one will see you. What will happen? Jam up the ERs. Great plan, Saggy.
4. Spending for social welfare is a great stimulus- right Saggy. We have been through this a million times before. Your food stamps results in a short term positive economic effect, but long term impairs economic growth. Again, if food stamps were so great, Flint Michigan and Watts would be the most prosperous cities in the US. Great thinking there, Saggy. We who actually work pay taxes. Instead of those tax revenues being used to keep up infrastructure and pay down the debt, it is spent to support dead beats.
5. Social programs make up the lion's share or the deficit. Without those social programs, the US would be solvent. Even Saggy, in his wild marxist mind, cannot deny the burden to the US by these dead beats.
Saggy, has Bammer asked you to be the new minister of marxist propaganda? The "information" you post is very entertaining, but rarely comes even close to reality.
Now Saggy, tell us that university where you are an economics professor, as you have claimed. I want to make damn sure none of my kids attend that institution (probably an imaginary one), as we would be getting ripped off for paying a dime for all that marxist tripe. BTW- Wherever you recieved your "education" in economics, you need to demand a refund as well.
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Somebody teach him how to use a mop please!
