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Old 10-19-2009, 07:30 PM
 
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Funny thing is....Obama is picking and choosing when he supports states rights.

That would make him....a hypocrite?
Just like George W. Bush when he proposed a federal marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and when his administration chose to go after Oregon for their assisted suicide law.

I don't know if we've ever had a President who truly believes in states' rights without exceptions.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:32 PM
 
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I will do you one better,the fedgov. or ANY gov. has NO business at all being involved in marriage.

It should be up to the individual and the church of their choice....
I agree. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that any state is going to get out of the marriage business. If any state did, I believe that many social conservatives would go bonkers.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:46 PM
 
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So am I. George Bush certainly wasn't, and I doubt McCain would have been either.

This is also great news for anyone who believes in the freedom to do what we want with our bodies.

I agree. I am completely for personal liberties and I think that most conservatives support that positition. State's rights tend to be a view attributed to conservatives, but I think it should be a view of most Americans. Bush actually was a proponant of state's rights. I did not agree with many of Bush's positions, but this was a policy I completely supported. I don't know about McCain.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:49 PM
 
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Bush actually was a proponant of state's rights.
Except that he wasn't - at least not entirely. Examples:

* rejecting assisted suicide laws in Oregon
* federal marriage amendment proposal
* raids on medical marijuana dispensaries
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:11 PM
 
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I agree. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that any state is going to get out of the marriage business. If any state did, I believe that many social conservatives would go bonkers.
Probably because marriage brings in a nice chunk of money for the states..
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:13 PM
 
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Bush paid lip service to states' rights, just like all the other so-called "conservatives." But I really don't think of Bush as being a conservative, looking at the whole of his policies. He trampled over states' rights when he saw fit, he grew the federal government possibly more than any Democrat in recent memory, got the bailout wheels rolling and spent money like a drunken billionaire at Mandalay Bay.

It's a sad day for conservatism when all it takes to wear that label is to be an enabler of the military industrial complex.
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:24 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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And hopefully both of you also believe that the Defense Of Marriage Act should be repealed since marriage has always been a "states' rights" issue.

Yeah, another example of conservatives' hypocrisy.
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:28 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Yeah, another example of conservatives' hypocrisy.
Uh, both of those people stated that they were against marriage laws. Reading the thread is useful.
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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I wonder what the admin will do when states rights is used on an issue they do not support????

Somehow I do not see this admin believing states rights are above federal law when it comes to guns for example.
Some how you dont realize that Obama has EXPANDED gun rights. And I'm sure you were outraged by the Bushies denying states rights to medical marijuana users.
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:37 PM
 
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Some how you dont realize that Obama has EXPANDED gun rights.
I didn't know that. How has he expanded gun rights?
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