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Old 10-20-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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That's still leaving it up to the states, even if we may disagree with Illinois' policy. Or are "states rights" only being protected when we disagree with a particular law of theirs.

You could say the same thing about the SCOTUS sodomy law ruling a few years ago. But of course it's pretty hypocritical for anyone to say they're for small/limited government when they support it intruding in people's bedrooms. Kind of the same principle with people who choose to smoke pot in their own homes.
I don't view the 2nd Amendment as a State Right at all. Namely the part that goes, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." It is a right of The People that is not to be infringed whether by the Federal, State, or local government.

Absolute rights, if we are to accept their existence, of the People are not subject to government abolition. Otherwise we could have States decide to exterminate a group of persons which it preferred were dead.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Maine
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This still didn't help rights in the individual states or cities. All it really did was gave another location for the states that are already laxed on their gun regs to have another location to carry. But states like Illinois, it did nothing to help with gun rights.
It certainly isn't "taking away your right to own and bear weapons" either. You may have a problem getting ammo but, that's because of all the hoarding that has been going on.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Central, IL
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It certainly isn't "taking away your right to own and bear weapons" either. You may have a problem getting ammo but, that's because of all the hoarding that has been going on.
In the state of Illinois you can own a weapon, but, you can not carry. In the city of Chicago, you can not own a handgun, only rifle and shotgun.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Maine
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In the state of Illinois you can own a weapon, but, you can not carry. In the city of Chicago, you can not own a handgun, only rifle and shotgun.
So take it up with the state of Illinois, it's not a federal issue.
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Old 10-20-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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That wasn't Obama,that was as posted Republicans and conservative Democrats...
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Old 10-20-2009, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Central, IL
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So take it up with the state of Illinois, it's not a federal issue.
Well, actually the US supreme court just decided that they would hear a case against the city of chicago for its radical gun laws. The basis of the case is that it violates the rights of the people under the constitution of the United States. Which is simular to the case they heard about the same type of gun laws in DC. Which the US Supreme court ruled that it was a violation of the constitution. If each state is able to make the laws, even if it violates the constitution, then what is the point of even having a Federal government or a constitution anymore?
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:05 AM
 
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Big deal. Abiding by state law? I am so happy to hear that Obama is for state's rights.

I don't care if people smoke pot. I actually think it should be legal. However, there are no randomized, blinded, prospective studies showing the "medical" benefit of marijuana. If people with cancer want to get high, let them do so, however, promoting the "medical" uses of marijuana is like people discussing "global warming" in an effort to promote alternative energy use. It is a good idea, but academically disingenuous.
Your wrong about the studies BTW. If you had half a brain cell and did some research you will see that alot of studies have been done to point out the down side to marijuana and all it ever shows is positive effects it has.

One such study showed that people who use it are smarter than those that dont. Another showed that the reaction times of those who used it are faster than those that dont.

Next time you feel like spewing off a load of crap...do some research so you dont sound like a fool.

Marijuana is good in all ways. Not one person has ever died from using it. Stop listening to what the feds tell you and do some actual reading for once people. The only reason it isnt legal is because it would cost big biz billions in sales. Logging companies would go out of business, oil companies would go bankrupt, Pharmaceutical companies stock price would crash.

The Farm industry would boom, local growth would increase, companies that focus on the environment would cease to exist. The world would literally turn upside down for a few years. Well worth it if you ask me.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Afghanistan was already the Opium capital of the world, accounting for 90% of Heroin production long before the US invaded. Mujaheddin sustained themselves in the 80s and early 90s by growing and selling Opium. The Taliban later banned growing the plant, per request of the Clinton administration, which pissed off a certain Osama Bin Laden.. Guess I do not need to spell out the ending of that story?

In any case, Southeast Asia is also a large producer of opium/heroin.
All the information I heard was that the golden triangle produced the world's largest amount of opiates until the US and UK invaded Afghanistan, when that country became the lead. I know the Taliban grew it to support their military operations but they made it illegal for it to be grown by anyone else in the country at that time. It was not the huge operation that it became under US control.

I heard this from many sources, but it is (strangely) hard to get stats on over the internet.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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I, for one, do not believe that most users of medical marijuana are in real need of pain relief. There would be no need for "strict compliance enforcement" if that were the case. Personally, I believe it should be a priority to go after the liars who exploit the system to get a legal high, simply because it makes a mockery of the entire program.

Obama once again shows he has no principle.
The entire program IS a mockery of the US justice system. Wherever the 'American system' has been tried, regarding drug policy, it has failed. It has failed here, as well. All it has succeeded in doing is to corrupt politicians and police and lead more of our children to abuse drugs.

Obama is the guy who seems to be trying to clear the problem up. Illegal drug sales are now dropping. One of the 5 big Mexican drug cartels just got raided. Over 300 people were arrested in 20 US states. Bravo, Obama!

This did not happen during the prior administration in spite of all their family values.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: PA
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besides that fact that pot is a natural drug, I also think it's silly we cant grow hemp..
The hemp (type planet) that doesnt product the smoking buds. Because of this stupid law we cant grow hemp and sell it to make paper, clothing etc in this country because of the law. Also hemp was used to print the constitution and declaration of independance.
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