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I voted for Obama and am glad I did. But I agree 100% with Yeledaf on this one. Obama inherited a ****ty situation. He needs to listen to Joe Biden on this one and get the hell out of Afghanistan. It is a no-win situation. Plus, I think most of Al-queda has gone to Pakistan.
All anyone has to do is read some history on the Vietnam war and then read some history on the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The U.S. should pull out all troops now.
Obama is caught in a trap that he cannot escape. If he withdraws the troops, Generals will say we could have won if we just would have committed, just like in Vietnam. If he puts more troops in, he will invariably lose (read the history of Afghanistan) and he will be scorned for fighting a war he could not win. He cannot make a good decision here, so in my opinion he should choose the humanitarian decision and get our troops out of harms way.
Who cares what the generals say? What matters at the end of the day is if we're fighting a winnable war for a just cause. We're not. Perhaps if Bush had spent all of his energy looking for Al Queda in Afghanistan starting on 9/12/01, rather than invading Iraq, things would be different. But that's water under the bridge. The U.S. should get out of Afghanistan now.
So go visit the other threads. I note you hang around here, though. Why?
Because, you are wrong. But, I note you are stubborn in your opinion and thoughts, which are wrong headed. Where did you receive your brainwashing? so we can all stay away from it.
You keep harping, soldiers die. I already told you soldiers will die during the decision making process. and yet, you don't understand that.
Obama dithers? I think it's more like some people in this forum that dither, don't you?
Who cares what the generals say? What matters at the end of the day is if we're fighting a winnable war for a just cause. We're not. Perhaps if Bush had spent all of his energy looking for Al Queda in Afghanistan starting on 9/12/01, rather than invading Iraq, things would be different. But that's water under the bridge. The U.S. should get out of Afghanistan now.
People would have thought that Authorities would have detained or arrested members of the Bin Laden family for questioning about his where-abouts. Another ball dropped by the previous administration.
1.To do what? Kill the Taliban? Like there's a finite number and no recruitment?
2. To build a stable government in Afghanistan? Composed of whom?
3. To protect the troops we already have there? Why not protect them all, and bring them home?
4. Or to provide cover for a President who hasn't a clue...
So far, no one has seriously questioned number 4. But plenty of posters hate me for raising the point...
Weird.
1) Did you support the invasion of Iraq?
2) Did you vote for George W. Bush in 2004?
Because if you answer "yes" to either question you have no right to accuse others, or President Obama, of anything. You can say he is a warmonger and a fool for sending troops to Afghanistan, but Bush was clearly the same for sending them to Iraq and creating the disastrous conditions that President Obama inherited from the neocons in Afghanistan. After 7 years they accomplished exactly NOTHING in Afghanistan.
In short, like many on the right, you are a hypocrite
Because if you answer "yes" to either question you have no right to accuse others, or President Obama, of anything. You can say he is a warmonger and a fool for sending troops to Afghanistan, but Bush was clearly the same for sending them to Iraq and creating the disastrous conditions that President Obama inherited from the neocons in Afghanistan. After 7 years they accomplished exactly NOTHING in Afghanistan.
In short, like many on the right, you are a hypocrite
Can you explain why it's more important to point out that someone is a hypocrite, and that they supported a president who did it wrong, than it is to discuss the road that should be taken now to ensure we start doing it right?
Can you explain why it's more important to point out that someone is a hypocrite, and that they supported a president who did it wrong, than it is to discuss the road that should be taken now to ensure we start doing it right?
You may not think this, but, maybe this is why President Obama is taking the time needed, to make sure he tries to do the right thing. People who begin these threads usually are hypocrites, especially when they think their party or belief is righteous, and especially when there are many others (threads) like this one. They must be thinking they're going to pad their reputation by making outlandish charges and misrepresentations of the facts to acquire new rep points by others. Rats will follow other rats when a ship is sinking.
Can you explain why it's more important to point out that someone is a hypocrite, and that they supported a president who did it wrong, than it is to discuss the road that should be taken now to ensure we start doing it right?
Can you explain why his position has been one of trying to pin the blame for 7 years of inaction on President Obama?
I cant. But I sure agree with him that more troops into Afghanistan is not the answer. I've not heard anything else from him that explains his position, other than he is now opposed to sending more troops there.
I seriously doubt his position would be the same were Sen. McCain elected President. On that I can only speculate
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