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However, they get back more than they ever paid in originally.
yes, we do, but if we could have taken all the money we invested in SS and put it into a private fund it would be enough for us to live very comfortably on. Living on SS alone is almost impossible today. Thank goodness many of us have some other retirement, some savings and some of us still are employed. In fact more seniors are working than ever before. When we work, we continue to have SS taken from our checks. I am an independent contractor and every year when we file our taxes, I have to pay social security. These are things that many of the very young who post here do not understand. They seem to think, at a certain age, the government just sends us thousands of dollars a month and everytime we need medical attention, whether it is in the hospital or the doctors office medicare pays it. WRONG!!! We pay co payments for almost everything and there are fewer and fewer doctors that will even take medicare patients or will only take so many a month.
Then again, after reading stuff like this.....yeah, I can see WHY some people in the younger gens. DO feel a bit hostile towards the OLD.......who may soon, be at the mercy of a death panel........BEFORE they ever get a chance to retire in the sunshine.
The problem is - the old paid into social security for many many years in most cases, they would have more money if they had been allowed to keep it and invest it themselves.
Now the young also have been taking money in many cases -- the same older people had to pay enormous taxes to provide the schools and in many case the health care the young had.
The young of today do not want to work, when they do they want to make up their own hours and demand 30.00 per hour for a job those poor old folks would have done and better! for 10.00 per hour.
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Now we have a group of young lazy people who want free government health care and demand those old people pay for it.
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When you pay into the system what those old folks have come back and talk to us, I have a feeling you are one of those slackers who are among the people who do not pay any taxes at all. 57% of you do not pay taxes by the way.
for the first quote- I say...
True.. I DO NOT WANT TO WORK. Why you ask? Because, who in their right mind would want to work for 10 dollars an hour, when inflation in the next 2-4 years is going to wipe that all out. So instead of 10 dollars an hour, it would have been like I was working for 1.50-2.50 an hour.... Not much incentive for the young generation to work, when WE ARE FORCED to pay into social security , even though we know it won't help us, and the same with medicare.
Why should 20% or so of our paychecks be stolen from us?
For your second quote, I say , yes, those people are idiots. I don't want to work, but I also don't expect free health care. I want to pay for just the amount of health care I use. (or be able to purchase catastrophic insurance for cheap, with high deductibles in case of a real bad accident/disease) I also don't want to have to pay for the FDA. I want to assume my own risks, and I don't need them making medications 200 times more expensive than they should be, just to tell the public that there are RISKS in taking any medication. And I DON'T WANT THE GOV'T LAWS in the medical practice forcing my health care costs up, like they have done so this past 40 years.
Quit with the dumb liscensing requirements and mandatory things doctors need to purchase. GET THE MIDDLE MANS OUT OF HEALTH CARE.
When using insurance. It should be done like this. Patient goes to hospital. Hospital bills patient. Patient needs to get money back from insurer. Hospitals and insurers should not be working together against the patient.
Hospitals NEED patients as customers. They currently have medicare (the gov't) and insurers as customers... which leads to higher costs and ****tier service.
And to your last quote- You're not talking about me are you?
I DO NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUR SYSTEM..........
EVERYONE pays for Medicare and SS , NO MATTER HOW MUCH they earn.
We were not given a choice as to participate or not. You made laws forcing everyone to. So don't blame the slackers, blame the system you guys created.
There is no incentive for people to work as hard or as long currently. There is no incentive for businesses to exist if they believe they will be taxed even more than they are now.
Businesses create prosperity. By killing businesses with taxation and OVER REGULATION, you kill this country's prosperity.
I'm young and have NO problem with working hard.
If I had a problem with it, I'd be like so many other girls my age with two kids and collecting a welfare check.
Don't lump all the young together.
Who gives a crap what your parents paid in? The point is they have taken out more than they have paid in.
WRONG!
40 plus years for the both of them.
Add up all the money they have paid in for 90 years total, all the taxes they have paid and they are not even close to getting back what they paid in.
They are paying into the system now so what do you mean, I think they pay around 250.00 per month just into medicare and they never use it.
There health insurance pays their health care cost and they do not use medicare, but medicare sure takes money from them every month.
How about this, loser welfare bums, Obama voter types who want the handouts, they now are in the 4th generation of welfare.
They have NEVER PAID A DAMN DIME into the system but you dont whine about that now do you.
Do you know that Obama will spend more money on loser welfare in 2010 then the entire Iraq War cost? Ridiculous.
57% of you do not pay taxes, millions of you are on welfare for free program ( cash for clunker people ), millions of you wont work a job, so stop your damn whining.
Those old people you want to steal from WORKED for a living and did not accept free cheese and housing. If they needed something they worked for it.
The OP is young and going to college and wants a handout. Its called work 8 hours a day and go to school a night or in the mornings to EARN YOUR KEEP! Then work a weekend job to PAY FOR YOUR HEALTH CARE.
No more handouts for losers, no more freebies.
Work and earn or get ZERO!
Many of us had parents who worked and paid into the system, SS and taxes, like mine they paid way more in they they will ever get back.
If you need some food I am sure my parents will feed you, they are the giving type and feel sorry for people who have no skills or brains to earn a decent living.
for the first quote- I say...
True.. I DO NOT WANT TO WORK. Why you ask? Because, who in their right mind would want to work for 10 dollars an hour, when inflation in the next 2-4 years is going to wipe that all out. So instead of 10 dollars an hour, it would have been like I was working for 1.50-2.50 an hour.... Not much incentive for the young generation to work, when WE ARE FORCED to pay into social security , even though we know it won't help us, and the same with medicare.
Why should 20% or so of our paychecks be stolen from us?
For your second quote, I say , yes, those people are idiots. I don't want to work, but I also don't expect free health care. I want to pay for just the amount of health care I use. (or be able to purchase catastrophic insurance for cheap, with high deductibles in case of a real bad accident/disease) I also don't want to have to pay for the FDA. I want to assume my own risks, and I don't need them making medications 200 times more expensive than they should be, just to tell the public that there are RISKS in taking any medication. And I DON'T WANT THE GOV'T LAWS in the medical practice forcing my health care costs up, like they have done so this past 40 years.
Quit with the dumb liscensing requirements and mandatory things doctors need to purchase. GET THE MIDDLE MANS OUT OF HEALTH CARE.
When using insurance. It should be done like this. Patient goes to hospital. Hospital bills patient. Patient needs to get money back from insurer. Hospitals and insurers should not be working together against the patient.
Hospitals NEED patients as customers. They currently have medicare (the gov't) and insurers as customers... which leads to higher costs and ****tier service.
And to your last quote- You're not talking about me are you?
I DO NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUR SYSTEM..........
EVERYONE pays for Medicare and SS , NO MATTER HOW MUCH they earn.
We were not given a choice as to participate or not. You made laws forcing everyone to. So don't blame the slackers, blame the system you guys created.
There is no incentive for people to work as hard or as long currently. There is no incentive for businesses to exist if they believe they will be taxed even more than they are now.
Businesses create prosperity. By killing businesses with taxation and OVER REGULATION, you kill this country's prosperity.
I actually agree with some of your post.
We need more capitalism and small businesses to grow any economy.
We need tax breaks for small businesses so they can grow and hire.
Without capitalism you wont have new jobs, without breaks for small business you wont see new jobs.
Obama and his croonies are anti small business and anti American by wanting to tax small businesses out of business.
If you want to see more layoffs, let this crap and trade pass. Massive layoffs will be coming if this scam trade bill passes.
Some do, some don't. SS started in 1935. Someone born in 1920 (now close to 90) paid into SS their entire working life.
They may have--but back then they were paid less too. Let's say you wanted to make you own retirement fund, and were making $20,000 a year for twenty years. And every one of those years, you put $5,000 in a mattress to save for your retirement. You now have $100,000 dollars for your retirement--and that's it. That's all you get. Whatever you put in, no interest, no cost of living increases.
So, if in twenty years, your rent or mortgage payments have gone up to $5,000 a month, you have 20 months of paying for housing--and housing alone--until you're broke.
If social security is still solvent, you can be dang sure people are going to be wanting to get more than $5,000 a month out of it. All funds that are NOT taxed, just like the money in your mattress wasn't taxed.
Do you understand what I mean when I say they get BACK more than they paid IN?
I think we are on the same page... I think you were just reading my original posts too fast or I didn't explain my thoughts well enough in writing.
The main thing is that I DON'T WANT TO WORK...
And it's not because I'm lazy.
It's because I see no benefit to working hard right now, b.c of the inflation that I believe is coming.
I believe it would be stupid to work for $10 dollars for 1000 hours this time period, when in not to long that same $10 will only be worth $1.50 to $2.50????? So It'd be like I was working for 30% or so of minimum wage... So why try to save now, when your savings will only be swiped out with inflation? I will only earn enough as I need to eat/sleep/and play with for the time being.
And to top off the inflation (as if that much inflation wasn't bad enough)... we are expected to pay into SS and medicare??????? When many people, including myself, know and believe that we will not see one dime back from those failed socialistic programs...
So again, I say, why would a young person work for $10 an hour, when in 2-4 years that $10 will only be woth $1.50-$2.50.. plus take out 20% or so for ss and medicare..
So it's not that I don't want to work hard.. It's just the system, the beast, that de-incentives me from working too hard, or too long.
If my employer was allowed to pay me in Gold and the gov't didn't take any out for taxes/ss/or medicare.... I would be working 80 hours a week no doubt..
but I guess that wouldn't benefit anyone but me? ....... oh yea.. that's the reason for working hard you idiot socialistic lib's. And if we reach that point ever again.. we would be able to choose to share with others or not. When "charity" is forced.. everyone loses.
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