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Old 10-21-2009, 08:10 AM
 
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I was on a date and the conversation came up about the American Dream being on assault because of racism. After a few days, I really started to wonder why a good lot of foriegn nationals come here to the US with practically nothing, being raised in environments of absolute poverty and little education, and essentially become well off legal residents or citizens. Their kids grow up and become doctors, lawyers, etc.

It's not even in one demographic either. Africans from several countries on the continent. Chinese. Vietnamese. Filipinos. Many Latin American groups. I don't get it.

Democrats scream about all these racist institutions plaguing minorities, and I'm not saying they aren't there. I live in South Carolina. I see it sometimes. I have friends who lived through it. But then explain these different, diverse groups of peoples from other countries, who come in, and are subjected to the same institutions, but come out amazing, considering where they came from.

i was watching the CPAC 2009 video on youtube and Rush Limbaugh was speaking, and he made a comment about that phenomenon, about how Democrats put down different groups of minorities in the US, and tell them that they NEED their help, which affects their potential or something. I gave it some thought, and I could see how that would affect a minority group of people live in the US.


I just wanted to get other opinions on this. Do you think that the racist institutions in the US are as prevalent as Democrats say they are? And if they are, why don't they affect the millions of immigrant families that come to the US and achieve the American dream?

I hope I was somewhat articulate.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:33 AM
 
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I just wanted to get other opinions on this. Do you think that the racist institutions in the US are as prevalent as Democrats say they are? And if they are, why don't they affect the millions of immigrant families that come to the US and achieve the American dream?
There are... institutions in the U.S. that seize the opportunity to satisfy that organizations needs. Whether they are racist or sexist or ageist or religiousist or otherist may well depend upon whose authority controls the process.

I've seen companies hire someone because he's the VP's nehphew, or has good repute in the community, or <insert your reason for preferential treatment here>. Where government has sought to level the playing field, reducing hiring to an applicants number, such practice in reality is not as wide spread as it may be in some fantasy land. With the exception of a company that may be hiring those numbers for a labor pool, such as an expanding call center.

Consider a criteria for choosing friends for lunch in a high school cafeteria. That may well exemplify employment practices in the U.S. Some foreign nationals may have more attractive personalities for lunch than might a local who slurs his speech and uses abbreviations for words. On the other hand, those abbreviations may be the key words to getting that special job.

Congrats on the recent graduation. Now the real education begins.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:40 AM
 
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I was on a date and the conversation came up about the American Dream being on assault because of racism. After a few days, I really started to wonder why a good lot of foriegn nationals come here to the US with practically nothing, being raised in environments of absolute poverty and little education, and essentially become well off legal residents or citizens. Their kids grow up and become doctors, lawyers, etc.

It's not even in one demographic either. Africans from several countries on the continent. Chinese. Vietnamese. Filipinos. Many Latin American groups. I don't get it.

Democrats scream about all these racist institutions plaguing minorities, and I'm not saying they aren't there. I live in South Carolina. I see it sometimes. I have friends who lived through it. But then explain these different, diverse groups of peoples from other countries, who come in, and are subjected to the same institutions, but come out amazing, considering where they came from.

i was watching the CPAC 2009 video on youtube and Rush Limbaugh was speaking, and he made a comment about that phenomenon, about how Democrats put down different groups of minorities in the US, and tell them that they NEED their help, which affects their potential or something. I gave it some thought, and I could see how that would affect a minority group of people live in the US.


I just wanted to get other opinions on this. Do you think that the racist institutions in the US are as prevalent as Democrats say they are? And if they are, why don't they affect the millions of immigrant families that come to the US and achieve the American dream?

I hope I was somewhat articulate.
Not sure WHAT the "American Dream" really is anymore......except it appears to be more of a nightmare thesedays, IMO.
America has historically, been the land of opportunity for MOST.....but yeah, racism, bigotry and discriminations of various sorts......are darn good at stifling opportunity.
I also believe that in this day and age......plenty of jobs/careers truly ALLOW ANYONE with the proper credentials/education/credit/references and background check.....to have fairly EQUAL opportunity.....regardless of race.
NOT ALWAYS the case though and yes....racial discrimination is still prevalent too.....just NOT nearly like it once WAS in America.
IMO....the BIGGEST form of discrimination going on is SOCIO-ECONOMIC driven and effectively, keeps people from truly advancing or securing some hope and stability.
OR.....THIS WAS........a big thing prior to our economy collapsing in the way it has. NOW.....it's more like winning a lottery jackpot in scoring DECENT employment no matter what race one is, etc.
It often appears that there are far too many employers (and others) who knowingly or not.....discriminate, based on one's financial status and the "appearance" or "perception" that goes with.
ANYONE else feel the same way?
Or.....maybe I'm incorrect with this belief?
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