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Old 10-21-2009, 08:23 PM
 
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While you are at it, you might want to add in that nothing prevents the rape victim from suing the rapists in civil court, it extended only to protect the company, not individuals. All of those men should be in prison and she should sue them individually as well. I'd not be opposed to a physical penalty as well. Give her a knife and let her choose which body part to 'deform' as she was deformed. Wanna guess which part she'd pick?
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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Listen to the women. Think about having your breasts ripped from your pectoral muscles. Now think about the women and girls in your family.


YouTube - US Woman Gang Raped in Iraq



YouTube - Women come forward about being raped by KBR in Iraq-1/4
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:30 PM
 
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Thanks I will correct it.
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These are the Senators who voted against the amendment that would prevent government contracts with any company that does not allow outside investigation of its employees for rape!
No, no, no. You've still got it wrong. There can be a criminal investigation, no contract can prevent it. Legal authorities investigate, collect evidence, proceed to court, the evidence is presented to a jury and the guys face a jury of their peers. They can still end up in jail for a long, long time. She can also sue them in civil court for whatever monetary damages she can get.

What the contract disallowed was the victim suing the company for the actions of the employees. The rapists can still go to jail, they can still be sued in civil court as well.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:32 PM
 
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Would this be anything like hussein obama appointing a safe schools czar that supported NAMBLA and gay child sex rape?
That's a crock and long been debunked, but you would not know that if you do not read or listen to accurate news coveage, In fact the person who debunked it was the kid, who is now an adult. It gets really tiresome to always have to provide info for people too irresponsible or ignorant to do real research themselves. I guess it is just easier to repeat BS!

Ex-pupil defends Obama aide over controversial advice in 1988

Ex-pupil defends Obama aide over controversial advice in 1988 - CNN.com

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Old 10-21-2009, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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These are the Senators who voted against the amendment that would prevent government contracts with any company that does not allow outside investigation of its employees for rape!

Think Progress » Franken Wins Bipartisan Support For Legislation Reining In KBR’s Treatment Of Rape

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The site includes the name, portrait, and phone number of each Senator should you want to express your sentiments!

Republicans for Rape - Our Legislators
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Well done, jojajn...that list will be sent to every woman I know.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:39 PM
 
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These are the Senators who voted against the amendment that would prevent government contracts with any company that does not allow outside investigation of its employees for rape!

Think Progress » Franken Wins Bipartisan Support For Legislation Reining In KBR’s Treatment Of Rape

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The site includes the name, portrait, and phone number of each Senator should you want to express your sentiments!

Republicans for Rape - Our Legislators
Always gotta be a liberal who doesnt understand facts and like to lie about what things mean.. (or do you simply not understand)

Jones was prevented from bringing charges in court against KBR because her employment contract stipulated that sexual assault allegations would only be heard in private arbitration

Why would halibrton/KBR be liable for the actions of a 3rd party, raping an individual? Why do you think they should be sued because one of their employees rapes another one? Dont you think the rapist would be the ones who get charged? How is this any different than the military if someone rapes? (hint, its not)..

Seriously, are you guys this desperate to try to make issues that dont exist, or do you not understand that I cant sue you if some 3rd party rapes me unless you took part in allowing it to happen.

Nothing stops the rape victim from filing charges against the rapist, it only limits ones ability to profit from a 3rd party (i.e. military or haliburton)..
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:46 PM
 
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No, no, no. You've still got it wrong. There can be a criminal investigation, no contract can prevent it. Legal authorities investigate, collect evidence, proceed to court, the evidence is presented to a jury and the guys face a jury of their peers. They can still end up in jail for a long, long time. She can also sue them in civil court for whatever monetary damages she can get.

What the contract disallowed was the victim suing the company for the actions of the employees. The rapists can still go to jail, they can still be sued in civil court as well.
It appears as if the rights of these women were being ignored and obstructed.

Another woman, Mary Beth Kineston, who worked as a commercial trucker for KBR in Iraq, testified that she had been raped in the cab of her truck by a KBR subcontractor employee at night while waiting in line to fill her water tanker truck. She immediately reported the incident to her supervisors; no one did a rape kit test, referred her for medical treatment or even offered to escort her back through the dark to her quarters that night.

Also at the hearing was Jamie Leigh Jones, whose story made the news in December, when she alleged that her 2005 gang rape by Halliburton/KBR co-workers in Iraq was being covered up by the company and the government. Jones, who has formed a nonprofit to support the many other women with similar experiences, says forty employees of US contractors have contacted her with stories of sexual assault or sexual harassment -- and accounts of how Halliburton, KBR and the Cayman Island-based Service Employees International Inc. (SEII), a KBR shell company, either failed to help them or outright obstructed them.

But such a financial incentive cannot explain why the Justice Department has failed to act. Although it has the authority to pursue criminal cases involving US military contractor employees, it has hemmed and hawed over even the tiny fraction of cases that have made their way through the maze of obstacles to land in the Justice Department's offices.

U.S. Women Working in Iraq Continue to be Sexually Assaulted While Their Rapists Go Free | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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While you are at it, you might want to add in that nothing prevents the rape victim from suing the rapists in civil court, it extended only to protect the company, not individuals. All of those men should be in prison and she should sue them individually as well. I'd not be opposed to a physical penalty as well. Give her a knife and let her choose which body part to 'deform' as she was deformed. Wanna guess which part she'd pick?
It was the company that created the environment, then locked her in a trailer for over 24 hours. They should pay.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:53 PM
 
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Always gotta be a liberal who doesnt understand facts and like to lie about what things mean.. (or do you simply not understand)

Jones was prevented from bringing charges in court against KBR because her employment contract stipulated that sexual assault allegations would only be heard in private arbitration

Why would halibrton/KBR be liable for the actions of a 3rd party, raping an individual? Why do you think they should be sued because one of their employees rapes another one? Dont you think the rapist would be the ones who get charged? How is this any different than the military if someone rapes? (hint, its not)..

Seriously, are you guys this desperate to try to make issues that dont exist, or do you not understand that I cant sue you if some 3rd party rapes me unless you took part in allowing it to happen.

Nothing stops the rape victim from filing charges against the rapist, it only limits ones ability to profit from a 3rd party (i.e. military or haliburton)..
You're the one showing your ignorance. They held her captive in a trailer. The company. KBR.

Try to learn about things before you comment.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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No, no, no. You've still got it wrong. There can be a criminal investigation, no contract can prevent it. Legal authorities investigate, collect evidence, proceed to court, the evidence is presented to a jury and the guys face a jury of their peers. They can still end up in jail for a long, long time. She can also sue them in civil court for whatever monetary damages she can get.
No. The crime took place in Iraq. And US government contractors were exempted from both US and Iraqi law. No criminal investigation.

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What the contract disallowed was the victim suing the company for the actions of the employees. The rapists can still go to jail, they can still be sued in civil court as well.
Wrong again. The contract disallowed the victim from suing the company period. She was required to go through arbitration to settle her complaints against the company for what the company did to her.
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