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Perhaps, but my trick is just to defend freedom while your trick is to enslave. I'll take my magic show over the horror of tyranny any day of the week.
Turning freedom into tyranny with preferential law and unjust initiation of force under the guise of "enlightenment", now that is a trick that I do not want to see in a magic show performed for mankind.
Chronic generalizations are a sign of a myopic mind that is unable to grasp complexity. Thankfully not all conservatives are like this.
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They are always more concerned with grammatical errors than content. I have secretaries do that crap for me. Are you a secretary?
It's called ethos. You might want to read up on that as well. If you cannot even refer to this school of thought in the commonly accepted and expected way, you only illustrate your lack of the most basic knowledge on the Frankfurt School. In short, you illustrate complete ignorance on the topic.
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And for the millionth time, I guess you just cannot handle the facts are are embarrassed by your ideological origins. I am not embarrassed at all by Washington, Jefferson, and Adams, yet the Frankfurt Group seems to really raise your hackles, as you cannot accept the fact that your views were born of evil. Tough up- face it.
*L* I don't think you'd know a fact if it hit you over the head. But I am embarrassed, embarrassed by the willingness of someone who so obviously has no knowledge of a topic to continue to spew ignorance and propaganda.
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What book did our insturctor use about the Frankfurt Group over 30 years ago? How the hell should I know! It was over 30 years! What books specificailly, claiming to be an expert in this area, do you have on the Franfurt Group?
Ok, then what author did you read? What key concepts from the school did you discuss then or since? One would think that if it made such an impression on you and that if you assumed that the Frankfurt School is common knowledge, then you must have retained something from your instruction.
And I'd be happy to start a dm discussion with you about the work of Marcuse and Adorno to start with. The Kellner article that you linked to yesterday cited "Social Implications of Technology," which is pretty seminal, maybe we could start there. And then after that and whatever else we'd like to re-read, we can move on to a discussion of cultural studies and whether or not Hall, Grossberg, and others have been successful, modern-day torchbearers of the Frankfurt School. Maybe diva360 would like to join us?
I've voted Democratic once, Republican half a dozen times.
But I'll be glad to explain why I've switched.
Today's GOP is nothing like the GOP I used to vote for and even support with contributions. They've become isolated, stupid, small-minded, and short-sighted.
I'm against all of those attitudes. The Pubs don't show any indications of becoming rational, so I'll continue to vote against their supremely flawed agenda at every opportunity. And I'll continue to contribute to their rivals.
Perhaps, but my trick is just to defend freedom while your trick is to enslave. I'll take my magic show over the horror of tyranny any day of the week.
Turning freedom into tyranny with preferential law and unjust initiation of force under the guise of "enlightenment", now that is a trick that I do not want to see in a magic show performed for mankind.
I'm sorry, two trick pony, the other is to see how many times you can put enslave, tyranny and freedom into a post with little to no expository content.
I'm sorry, two trick pony, the other is to see how many times you can put enslave, tyranny and freedom into a post with little to no expository content.
I understand your comment, but his point is very valid and one that I would like to see more people try to understand. I'm afraid it is lost on many here, so I don't mind the repetition.
I'm sorry, two trick pony, the other is to see how many times you can put enslave, tyranny and freedom into a post with little to no expository content.
What is it that you wish me to expose?
I am against any person, group, or government who uses or advocates the initiation of force against any person, group, or government. Freedom, justice, and voluntary cooperation for all. Any person, group, or government who resists such a simple and easily understood premise is at best a delusional and unjust tyrant.
Is there something in that statement that needs to be explained further? It is hardly a complex position.
If you are a Christian, you cannot possibly be a socialist/marxist- they are incompatible.
I believe in charity as well. Charity is when one gives volunarily to worthy causes to help one's fellow man. Socialism is stealing from one group in order to give to another and thus maintain political power.
Charity and Socialism are a little different. Christ did not become a political king, tax from the populace the products of their labor, and give to others in order to maintain power. Christ's power had nothing to do with money. Socialism has everything to do with money. Why do you think that Mao and Stalin destroyed religious icons and persecuted holy men? Not exactly Christ-like, as religion is an impediment to authoritarian rule,
Who said I was socialist, and where in my post did I say that the state should give to individuals charity, and who said I was a Christian (I mentioned I was raised with Christian ideals)? I think you are thinking in the back of your head that liberalism, in a social sense, is incompatible with representative government. How so? Go to Seattle, Chicago, NYC, or any major city (except Phoenix) and come back a wiser man.
I've voted Democratic once, Republican half a dozen times.
But I'll be glad to explain why I've switched.
Today's GOP is nothing like the GOP I used to vote for and even support with contributions. They've become isolated, stupid, small-minded, and short-sighted.
I'm against all of those attitudes. The Pubs don't show any indications of becoming rational, so I'll continue to vote against their supremely flawed agenda at every opportunity. And I'll continue to contribute to their rivals.
Chronic generalizations are a sign of a myopic mind that is unable to grasp complexity. Thankfully not all conservatives are like this.
It's called ethos. You might want to read up on that as well. If you cannot even refer to this school of thought in the commonly accepted and expected way, you only illustrate your lack of the most basic knowledge on the Frankfurt School. In short, you illustrate complete ignorance on the topic.
*L* I don't think you'd know a fact if it hit you over the head. But I am embarrassed, embarrassed by the willingness of someone who so obviously has no knowledge of a topic to continue to spew ignorance and propaganda.
Ok, then what author did you read? What key concepts from the school did you discuss then or since? One would think that if it made such an impression on you and that if you assumed that the Frankfurt School is common knowledge, then you must have retained something from your instruction.
And I'd be happy to start a dm discussion with you about the work of Marcuse and Adorno to start with. The Kellner article that you linked to yesterday cited "Social Implications of Technology," which is pretty seminal, maybe we could start there. And then after that and whatever else we'd like to re-read, we can move on to a discussion of cultural studies and whether or not Hall, Grossberg, and others have been successful, modern-day torchbearers of the Frankfurt School. Maybe diva360 would like to join us?
If I did not know better, I would think that you are trying to hurt my feelings. It will be hard to sleep tonight. Read the articles, my marxist friend. How be thee so learned in the ways of science?
Did I study philosophy in college? No- I got a real degree so that I could actually work for a living. My philosopy- work hard and prosper, then marxism will be unnecessary. Be a bum and marxism will be very appealing, as you will need to rely upon the labors of others.
The only philosophy class I ever took was in high school. Again, it was taught by a retired Notre Dame professor, so I figure he probably knew what was going on.
While I suppose exposing an issue can be a part of an expository comment, the two are not the same. An written expository comment would include examples, descriptions, and context which would lend credence to one's argument. Going on repetitively about lack of freedom without examples of what those freedoms are. The same goes for you tirades regarding tyranny, just calling someone or something tyrannical just doesn't make it so. I say this because you have a aversion to discussing facts and facts within context, I suspect it is a result of attempting to defend an exceeding nebulous position.
I am against any person, group, or government who uses or advocates the initiation of force against any person, group, or government.
We've been down this road before. You make a statement so broad and undefined that it is virtually meaningless within the context of these conversations. Who is in favor of any person, group, or government using or advocating the initiation of force against any person, group of government? I suspect no one, except:
Initiation of force to bodily defend oneself?
Initiation of force to insure the free exercise of rights by another person?
Initiation of force to insure compliance with the laws of a civil society?
So, you see, stating what you are for or opposed to expressed in the most nebulous manner, makes your statement of principles meaningless.
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Freedom, justice, and voluntary cooperation for all.
And what is to be done in the case of un-cooperation?
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Is there something in that statement that needs to be explained further?
Quite a bit actually.
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