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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
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AGAIN, IF YOU ARE A LIB AND DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE FRANKFURT GROUP (THE SOURCE OF MODERN LIBERAL THOUGHT) READ THE LINK. It is one of the few things that may actually change your perspective. Denying or ignoring facts is exactly what the Franfurt Group hoped you would do.
Interesting the first link in the OP is to 'Catholic Insight', as if the Catholic Church is an institution to be trusted in offering social commentary.
Those beliefs, by the way, make you a libertarian or conservative.
...their creation of modern liberalism.
I am not a "conservative" because I believe that we should make drastic changes away from the current collectivist state. I can be labeled, and often do claim to be, a libertarian. The two statements above make the possibility of being both impossible. A "conservative" in today's collectivist America is completely against libertarian values.
I simply assert that a true "classical" liberal can also be seen as a libertarian. That is why I claim both titles for myself. "Liberal" is derived from latin "liber" which means free.
Notice that you yourself are talking about the "creation" of "modern liberalism". I stand by my position that I am a true liberal and not someone with a tyrannical and anti-freedom ideology "claiming" the label for themselves just because they like the term.
Why a liberal? Easy. Liberals are progressive where Conservatives are regressive. What's so hard about that?
Ditto. Plus, conservatives think they belong in your personal business (gay marriage, abortion, etc.). I'd much rather have the govt. involved in health care and salary caps in bailed out corporations than in my bedroom or my uterus.
If the OP was sincere in his question, you would be reading some sincere answers.
The topic should be "Why you shouldn't be a liberal"
I see your point but tend to disagree. Let's face it, Liberals are generally younger and the posts reflect that. I agree that the original post was pretty much a bait but more mature respondents would use it to their advantage rather than resorting to childish retorts. I'm sure the responses sound quite clever and witty in their heads but then again most children are fairly easy to amuse.
I actually enjoy a good debate with a liberal who can behave like an adult but all too often, and particularly on this forum, folks just can't seem to refrain from the schoolyard antics.
Again- Just read a little history. This is not "Glen Beck" propaganda. Glen Beck probably does not know anything about the Frankfurt Group. This is old information (I was taught this in high school) and I really thought that libs knew the basis for thier beliefs. With the knowledge of the Frankfurt Group, naturally, I have always thought liberals to be complete idiots, as they are just "useful idiots" for the spread of marxism.
Know where your "beliefs" come from and why liberalism "evolved" when it did. I know why YOU SAY you are a liberal, but obviously you never knew where those thoughts originated. It was not a benevolent mission, but was an odd (but apparently effective) means to destroy western culture. Thanks for helping the enemy.
Where liberalism came from is not nearly as important to me as where it is now.
Had it not ever occurred to you that people think a certain way, just because they do, and perhaps they always have?
Just because YOU discovered the Frankfurt Group today and had this epiphany, (this theory behind the curtain, the alleged true meaning of liberalism) which made YOU feel all smart and stuff, really has nothing to do with it at ALL?
It's not about you sweetheart...
This person hasn't discovered anything ... they read something somewhere not understanding the underlying facts and history of the Group ... they don't understand what post WWI Germany was like for it's citizenry. They probably have no idea when WWI happened.
Where liberalism came from is not nearly as important to me as where it is now.
Okay, if we take that stance then, that "modern" liberalism is the only liberalism, it is no better than "modern" conservatism. They are both just "modern" oppressive ideologies that use unjust government force to coerce others to involutarily conform to and serve their particular special interests.
Okay, if we take that stance then, that "modern" liberalism is the only liberalism, it is no better than "modern" conservatism. They are both just "modern" oppressive ideologies that use unjust government force to coerce others to involutarily conform to and serve their particular special interests.
How enlightened!
In today's politics, that's what matters. The cons of today are not the cons of yesterday. There is a time in history, that I might have been able to call myself a conservative. Today? Hell no!
In today's politics, that's what matters. The cons of today are not the cons of yesterday. There is a time in history, that I might have been able to call myself a conservative. Today? Hell no!
With the political climate of today anybody that claims to be a follower of either the Republican party or Democrat party should be ashamed of themselves.
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