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Old 05-09-2007, 05:38 PM
 
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Here's a joke that may resonate with many of you. I'm new here so not sure if you've seen it yet, if so please forgive me! I am interested in debating the issues of government interference in our daily lives, the Patriot Act, Martial Law, Police Brutality, Bush's desire to be a "Dictator" and other related concepts.

Operator: "Thank you for calling Pizza Hut. May I have your national
ID number?"

Customer: "Hi, I´d like to place an order."

Operator: "I must have your NIDN first, sir?"

Customer: "My National ID Number, yeah, hold on it´s
6102049998-45-54610."

Operator: "Thank you, Mr. Sheehan. I see you live at 1742 Meadowland
Drive, and the phone number´s 494-2366. Your office number over at
Lincoln Insurance is 745-2302 and your cell number´s 266-2566. Email
address is sheehan@home.net. Which number are you calling from, sir?"

Customer: "Huh? I´m at home. Where d´ya get all this information?"

Operator: "We´re wired into the HSS, sir."

Customer: "The HSS, what is that?"

Operator: "We´re wired into the Homeland Security System, sir. This
will add only 15 seconds to your ordering time"

Customer: (Sighs) "Oh, well, I´d like to order a couple of your All-Meat Special pizzas."

Operator: "I don´t think that´s a good idea, sir."

Customer: "Whaddya mean?"

Operator: "Sir, your medical records and commode sensors indicate
that you ve got very high blood pressure and extremely high
cholesterol. Your National Health Care provider won´t allow such an
unhealthy choice."

Customer: "What? What do you recommend, then?"

Operator: "You might try our low-fat Soybean Pizza. I´m sure you´ll
like it.

Customer: "What makes you think I´d like something like that?"

Operator: "Well, you checked out ´Gourmet Soybean Recipes´ from your
local library last week, sir. That´s why I made the suggestion."

Customer: "All right, all right. Give me two family-sized ones, then."

Operator: "That should be plenty for you, your wife and your four
kids, and your 2 dogs can finish the crusts, sir. Your total is
$49.99."

Customer: "Lemme give you my credit card number."

Operator: "I´m sorry sir, but I´m afraid you´ll have to pay in cash.
Your credit card balance is over its limit."

Customer: "I´ll run over to the ATM and get some cash before your
driver gets here."

Operator: "That won´t work either, sir. Your checking account´s
overdrawn also."

Customer: "Never mind! Just send the pizzas. I´ll have the cash
ready. How long will it take?"

Operator: "We´re running a little behind, sir. It´ll be about 45
minutes, sir. If you´re in a hurry you might want to pick ´em up
while you´re out getting the cash, but then, carrying pizzas on a
motorcycle can be a little awkward."

Customer: "Wait! How do you know I ride a ´cycle?"

Operator: "It says here you´re in arrears on your car payments, so
your car got repo´ed. But your Harley´s paid for and you just filled
the tank yesterday."

Customer: Well I´ll be a "@#%/$@&?#!&?#!"

Operator: "I´d advise watching your language, sir. You´ve already got
a July 4, 2004 conviction for cussing out a cop and another one I see here
in September for contempt at your hearing for cussing at a judge."
"Oh yes I see here that you just got out from a 90 day stay in the
State Correctional Facility. Is this your first pizza since your
return to society?

Customer: (Speechless)

Operator: "Will there be anything else, sir?"

Customer: "Yes, I have a coupon for a free 2 liter of Coke".

Operator: "I´m sorry sir, but our ad´s exclusionary clause prevents us from offering free soda to diabetics. The New Constitution prohibits this.

Thank you for calling Pizza Hut!"
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Old 05-09-2007, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Charlotte,NC, US, North America, Earth, Alpha Quadrant,Milky Way Galaxy
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Well the joke is pretty much based in reality.
If you use a credit/debit card you can be tracked, you purchase patterns can be analyzed (and are)
If you use a cell phone your location for the most part can be determined fairly accurately. Also there's a record of who you talk to and when (btw the same applies for land lines).
The DMV, public utilities, etc.- there's a mountain of data on just about every American Citizen. It's just the way it is. Probably you can circumvent much of it if you only use cash (and get paid in cash), don't have a bank account and never use a phone in your name . But even then somewhere, in some computer, there's a file on you

To the level though in which a Pizza parlor can hook into homeland security- probably not.
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Old 05-09-2007, 06:06 PM
 
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the response. My concern is that this information, as in the joke, cold theoretically be held against people. It creeps me out that the government wants to know what library books I'm reading.

I'm just a nobody, but the more power a government gets, the more likely it is to seek to destroy anything that threatens it. We have seen history speak to this in China, in Russia, in Cambodia, in many African countries, ad infinitum. What is the reality of this happening in our nation, and when, in your view?
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Old 05-09-2007, 06:55 PM
 
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This started long before Bush came to office. He's not been a good president. Everyone accuses him of being a total idiot who is beyond stupid, yet somehow he is behind all these effective plots to take over the world that only a small percentage of the population is aware of. Which is it?

As for dictatorship, I would suggest checking into Kim Jong of North Korea, Omar al-Bashar of Sudan, or Than Shwe from Burma and how they runs things. Also, Abe Lincoln abused federal power far more than Bush has, so don't think Bush is doing unprecedented things. You might realize that Bush isn't so bad after all, and that he will at least be gone in less than 2 years and we can all be happy until the next president starts screwing up and giving us more stuff to complain about.

The US government is corrupt as hell, both sides. It is not even close to the government created by our founding fathers. But all in all, its really a joke to hear people here whining about things when you look at the rest of the world. Eventually our freedoms will be stripped down to about the same level as socialist countries in Europe. But as for becoming authoritarian, not a worry, at least for the next 10-20 years, I guess it will depend on how fast global warming starts destroying the planet.
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Old 05-09-2007, 07:37 PM
 
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He and every other president answers to someone, or should I say others (people who are very powerful and very much in the background)who have way more power here...We are losing our freedoms, slowly day by day. sad that no one cares or even notices anymore.
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Old 05-09-2007, 07:43 PM
 
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We are not too far away from that. The bigger and faster our computers get the more information the government will have on us. When the next break through in microchips comes that basically means we lose more freedom.
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Old 05-09-2007, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Charlotte,NC, US, North America, Earth, Alpha Quadrant,Milky Way Galaxy
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The nature of our (US) society is information driven. You're issued a SSN at birth even. A lot of people read a lot of apocalyptic predictions into this- I particularly don't. It's the nature of our society. Can someone somewhere look me up based on a few pieces of information? Absolutely. Political figures go through this all the time. Just run for any type of office, and, someone will find your 7th grade transcript and figure out you were in detention once or twice . If you have a friend in law enforcement he/she can get you whatever information you need on anyone.
It is something to be concerned about, but not to the level of paranoia.

The founding fathers, IMO, had incredible insight into our structure of government. Our system is based on the best within people *but* acknowledges and accounts for the *worst* within us. It's self-correcting and self balancing. It does work. The power struggle between left and right, between executive/legislative/judicial is all by design. The founders knew that "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely" and designed our system to compensate when necessary.

So while it seems certain freedoms are being chipped away, the system will find a way to self correct.
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Old 05-10-2007, 10:01 AM
 
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What really disturbs me the most is that now they can tell if you are genetically predisposed to get certain diseases through DNA testing. I can just see the insurance companies getting hold of THAT information! No one will qualify for any kind of insurance.

I could see insurance companies leading the charge into authoritarianism such as the above story describes.
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Old 05-10-2007, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Naples
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What really disturbs me the most is that now they can tell if you are genetically predisposed to get certain diseases through DNA testing. I can just see the insurance companies getting hold of THAT information! No one will qualify for any kind of insurance.

I could see insurance companies leading the charge into authoritarianism such as the above story describes.
It will be corporations that lead the way into authoritarianism. They're the real rulers of this country, our corporate oligarchy. It's not an elaborate conspiracy. It's the fact that corporations look out for their own interests.
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Old 05-10-2007, 12:56 PM
 
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Yes, corporations are what rule us and everyone else, good to see someone who really reads and educates themselves instead of parroting the nightly news.
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