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Old 10-26-2009, 08:34 PM
 
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I have a general question for the board at large.

The two economic concepts capitalism and socialism have been thrown around consistently

If the goal is control what difference does it make which system "they" use for control of the masses?

To my knowledge both systems revolve around the idea, that natural resources are scarce and to correctly allocate these supposed scarce resources we should employ either of the two systems

1. Capitalism - seeks to promote the effective rationing of scarce resources through a "free-market"

2. Socialism - seeks to promote the effective rationing of scarce resources through a "central authority"


Capitalism from best i can tell in the United States is run through a central authority with the goal of rationing scarce resources

Socialism best i can tell in any part of the World it is practiced is operated through a central authority with the goal of rationing scarce resources


I think the question a thinking man would ask is not in the naming/labeling convention given to the same form of economic control, but why?

Why label a form of economics that ultimately seeks the same outcome under two different categories?

The two concepts only work if you believe the world's natural resources are scarce. Do you individually know the world's natural resources are scarce?? Is this natural knowledge or did someone have to tell you the World's natural resources were scarce?? If the answer is the latter, then you should really question whether this is true or not.

I'll relate this to religion. It only works if you believe the creation of the earth and all you cannot explain on your own is done by some deity.

How are these concepts any different?

Can someone make a good strong factual argument either for the existence and validity the earth's "natural resources" are scarce?

If you can make a good argument for scarce resources then you should also be able to prove the existence of God!

The man that can convince the world the earth's resources are scarce (without physical proof) is the same man that can convince the world there is a God (without physical proof)!

You're preaching faith in the creation of religion and in the system of economics employed by both Capitalist and Socialist.

Once you accept the only truth in these two outcomes, which is you truly do not know anything, you will cease to be a slave, serf, or whatever you choose to call a person under the control of someone else.

I'll repeat I'm a strong advocate for what I've been told is freedom, but i have no clue what real freedom looks like or actually is. I only know enough to know what we have right now is not "freedom."

I will say it again i can not prove the scarcity or abundance of the earth's natural resources anymore than i can prove or disprove the existence of GOD!

I dare anyone to try! Let the challenge begin
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:05 PM
 
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Well are they?
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:09 PM
 
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You think we are bombing the moon for fun?
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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You think we are bombing the moon for fun?

Does God exist as well? Can you give me some hardcore factual proof to the existence of both? Or are you simply going to give me one liners?


Are you willing to admit the existence of both is at least in part due to someone else telling you these outcomes or things existed, not because you've seen these things with your own eyes?
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:24 PM
 
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Does God exist as well?
Well, of course!

Who do you think has been protecting the jews from Allah?
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:38 PM
 
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In general, oil is not a scarce resource in absolute terms. What is scarce is the human capital and monetary capital needed to extract most of it at a price the market will bear.

Diamonds are abundant assuming you have the resources needed to tear apart a mountain by hand. Oh, and you own a mountain.

Food is not necessarily scarce, but millions starve around the world as we lack the resources to transport and distribute food globally in an cost-effective fashion.

Iron ore, coal, and other minderals fall into the same category.

The only truly scarce resource is water. If you want your grandkids to be billionaires invest in some of the early stage "water" companies.
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:51 PM
 
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In general, oil is not a scarce resource in absolute terms. What is scarce is the human capital and monetary capital needed to extract most of it at a price the market will bear.

Diamonds are abundant assuming you have the resources needed to tear apart a mountain by hand. Oh, and you own a mountain.

Food is not necessarily scarce, but millions starve around the world as we lack the resources to transport and distribute food globally in an cost-effective fashion.

Iron ore, coal, and other minderals fall into the same category.

The only truly scarce resource is water. If you want your grandkids to be billionaires invest in some of the early stage "water" companies.
Well thought out response. I'll play devil's advocate with it.

Is there is any possibility what you've been told about the above is not purposely manipulated to maintain the very economics we suggest we are attempting to make efficient?

To support the economic system in which a doctors wage is much higher than a plumbers (for example) we purposely mandate and support collusion that artificially creates a low supply of doctors. The opposite is true for plumbers. We create a relatively larger supply then actual demand for their services.

Is this at all possible with natural resources? Do you think to support these two economic systems both capitalism and socialism, those in power might seek to purposely create artificial shortages and oversupplies to maintain the suggested economics systems that promote the concept of scarcity? Does it exist in nature or is it a man made creation?

Is it a known fact we do not have the ability to mine or effectively distribute food to the masses or is this purposely done by "those" with "authority" over the masses?

Begs the question if you can prove these concepts as facts, then you should also be able to prove the existence of God with fact.
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:55 PM
 
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Well thought out response. I'll play devil's advocate with it.

Is there is any possibility what you've been told about the above is not purposely manipulated to maintain the very economics we suggest we are attempting to make efficient?

To support the economic system in which a doctors wage is higher than a plumbers we purposely mandate and support collusion that artificially creates a low supply of doctors. The opposite is true for plumbers. We create a relatively larger supply then actual demand for their services.

Is this at all possible with natural resources? Do you think to support these two economic systems both capitalism and socialism, those in power might seek to purposely create artificial shortages and oversupplies to maintain the suggested economics systems that promote the concept of scarcity?

Is it a known fact we do not have the ability to mine or effectively distribute food to the masses or is this purposely done by "those" with "authority" over the masses?

Begs the question if you can prove these concepts as facts, then you should also be able to prove the existence of God with fact.
Well, I think so!

And, technology is heavily controlled.
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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Well, I think so!

And, technology is heavily controlled.

You think so what? You agree with me or what?
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:05 PM
 
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You think so what? You agree with me or what?
Uh, what?

Could you repeat the question?
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