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View Poll Results: Should All Americans be allowed to visit Cuba?
Yes 26 46.43%
NO 6 10.71%
Be able to visit Cuba and lift trade embargo as well 24 42.86%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-27-2009, 02:53 PM
 
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I did answer the question unlike you. If you dont like the answer you got that isnt my fault.
No, you didn't answer the question directly.

What's wrong with simple words like: A) "I oppose such actions" or B) "I don't care if the two state employees went to Cuba illegally using taxpayer money for their travel expenses."
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:58 PM
 
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I hate to tell you Americans have been visiting cuba the entire time.

Yes lets give Fidel some more cash while the citizens keep living with very little
If we are not trading with Cuba because of communist reasons/dictator/disagreement with government, they we should cut everything off with China.

But wait..no...many on the right would argue that is going against capitalism as they would do anything to defend businesses!
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:00 PM
 
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I'd like to see a poll asking whether Cubans should be allowed to visit the US. A little reciprocity is called for here.

In fact, were Cuba to permit its slaves -- I mean citizens -- to travel freely, and apologize for its murders of American civilians, its imperialist adventures in Africa, and its nuclear threats against the United States and its people, I would be willing to see the embargo lifted to permit recyled American waste to be unloaded on the docks of Havana for Communist Party members to pick through, in hopes of finding suitable used clothing or 1956 DeSoto parts.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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A nurse at our Dr.'s office is from Cuba. Her Mother won a visa lottery when she was younger and was able to immigrate to the U.S. We had a conversation about health care in Cuba. Her Uncle is a Dr. there. She told us that although they may not have all the medical equipment we have here, such as blood pressure moniters in each exam room (her example), they have all the necessities and the medical proffesionals are well trained. Health care is free and the people do get good care.
Cuba was known as "The Jewel of The Caribbean". It was the place to go in the 1950's. Gambling casinos and night clubs there were well known. The architecture, along with the auto's remain the same.
And the upper class Cubans who fled to Miami just before and just after the revolution have maintained the old Cuban culture perfectly in Miami. Living there is quite an experience, a good one.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:23 PM
 
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If we are not trading with Cuba because of communist reasons/dictator/disagreement with government, they we should cut everything off with China.

But wait..no...many on the right would argue that is going against capitalism as they would do anything to defend businesses!
China has moved leaps and bounds above that oppressive regime Mao instated. They're moving more towards capitalism while we are moving more towards their old ways. Of course they still harbor massive human rights violations adopted by their former communist days...
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:31 PM
 
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China has moved leaps and bounds above that oppressive regime Mao instated. They're moving more towards capitalism while we are moving more towards their old ways. Of course they still harbor massive human rights violations adopted by their former communist days...
Don't you think it's just a little ironic that we are talking about human rights issues in Cuba while WE have control of Guantanamo?
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:39 PM
 
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Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty

This complex, which is the largest such Soviet facility outside the USSR, can monitor military and government radio transmissions in the United States. In conjunction with similar sites within the Soviet Union, the Lourdes complex allows the Soviet military to intercept the signals from all the American communications satellites in geosynchronous orbit...

...Cuba As a Soviet Military Surrogate. However valuable Cuban ports, airfields, and intelligence sites may be to the Soviet Union, the USSR's most valuable return on its multibillion dollar investment in propping up Castro has come in the form of Castro's willingness to use his military forces overseas in the cause of "proletarian internationalism."

The Cuban leader has been particularly drawn to Africa. Today there are Cuban troops and military specialists throughout that continent, stretching from Lesotho to Algeria. The largest concentration is the 40,000-strong Cuban contingent in Angola, followed by the 3,000-4,000 troops in Ethiopia, and approximately 600-800 soldiers in Mozambique. Smaller Cuban
military missions are in Zambia, Uganda, Tanzania, Congo, equatorial Guinea, Sao Tome e Principe, and Libya...

...has been the high-point of proletarian internationalism. From a small beginning of 250 Cuban military advisers in June 1975, the Cuban military presence in Angola grew to over 15,000 combat soldiers in early 1976 and then to the present 15 combat regiments with 25,000-30,000 combat
soldiers and 5,000 to 10,000 civilian advisors. Castro has boasted that more than 400,000 Cuban troops have received combat experience in Angola since 1975...

...Castro's willingness to send Cuban troops overseas provides the Soviet Union with an asset in the Third World not available to the United States, namely, a military surrogate. This surrogate has been profitably employed in locations where Castro and the leaders in Moscow see eye-to-eye about the revolutionary credentials of the national liberation movements being
supported.
Cuba and the Soviet Union: The Military Dimension (http://www.osaarchivum.org/files/holdings/300/8/3/text/70-1-62.shtml - broken link)
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:41 PM
 
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Don't you think it's just a little ironic that we are talking about human rights issues in Cuba while WE have control of Guantanamo?
That's a joke... It's gotta be. They care nothing about if someone is guilty or involved in plots. They go person by person and implement truly horrific injustices set out to stifle humans and their uncontrollable desires for procreation. While you focus on the 100 or so people in Gitmo they focus on over a billion people. In some cases force abortion and kidnapping of "extra" children are the status-quo.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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In April 2009 Obama lifted the ban, allowing Cuban Americans to visit Cuba. A new poll of Cuban Americans shows a strong majority favor allowing all Americans to travel to the island. Cuban Americans going to Cuba is to be around 200,000 visitors by year's end.

I think if Cuban Americans are allowed to visit Cuba, why not the rest of us. The US is the only country in the world that does not allow its citizens to travel to Cuba.

Why should the rest of us be denied to opportunity to see a lot of classic cars - 1950's and older (approx. 60,000 on the streets of Cuba) drink fantastic rum, and smoke the best cigars in the world right in Cuba. I think we should lift the embargo as well. I'd like to bring Cuban Rum and Cigars back to US legally.
There are a lot of stupid people in Congress who don't realize that this would be a win-win situation for all of us. They are too scared to admit that Embargoes are a pathetic strategy and that they've failed. The EGO of our government really doesn't show more than in the foolish Embargo and the moronic War on Drugs.

I spent an amazing week in Cuba almost 3 years ago. It is a gorgeous place with the most stunning women I've ever seen (been to ~35 countries around the world), great rum, baseball everywhere, friendly people, gorgeous architecture, lots of art, classic American cars everywhere and some of the best beaches in the world.

Anyone who says that we need the embargo, I ask you this: If we stop trade with Castro because of his policies or human rights abuses, how come we trade with China, Saudi Arabia and VENEZUELA?

(This is from the STATE DEPARTMENT: Despite political tensions between the U.S. and Venezuela, the U.S. remains Venezuela's most important trading partner)

Hypocrisy, embargo be thy name.
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Old 10-27-2009, 03:48 PM
 
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In April 2009 Obama lifted the ban, allowing Cuban Americans to visit Cuba. A new poll of Cuban Americans shows a strong majority favor allowing all Americans to travel to the island. Cuban Americans going to Cuba is to be around 200,000 visitors by year's end.

I think if Cuban Americans are allowed to visit Cuba, why not the rest of us. The US is the only country in the world that does not allow its citizens to travel to Cuba.

Why should the rest of us be denied to opportunity to see a lot of classic cars - 1950's and older (approx. 60,000 on the streets of Cuba) drink fantastic rum, and smoke the best cigars in the world right in Cuba. I think we should lift the embargo as well. I'd like to bring Cuban Rum and Cigars back to US legally.

My neighbor has been to Cuba at least a dozen times. When we went for a medical "field trip", we needed clearance through the feds and it was a big deal. This guy flies to Mexico and then boards a plane to Cuba without any problem at all. It seems strange that he can do that. He says the food is very cheap there and Cubans are very friendly to Americans, but vocally say that thier lives suck there and are waiting for the Castros to die. Not much adoration for Communism there (and my neighbor is a lefty). The cars, according to him, are pretty beat up and it is not a collector's dream. You would be better off buying a restored piece in the US, as these are not the types of cars you would want to try to restore.
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