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Now this is interesting, why aren't you riding bigsky's a*s for being one of those lenient liberals? Because he's not a liberal, that's why. Convenient.
What do you want me to say madear. I disagreed with what I thought was his false premise. If you ride in that stolen car you are guilty as is the driver. Unfortunately, I have heard tell at least, If I pick up a hitchhiker and he has cocaine on him and I get stopped I am culpable and may be charged. In both cases I don't think it is the same thing exactly as we're talking about hurting someone rather than property.
To that degree raping the child was not acceptable under any condition nor was the behavior of the spectators. Any way you look at it Karfar, and I know you would agree, the rapists and the watchers are pretty low life. If any one of them was scared they could have at least went and gotten help. It would be a rightful assumption that at a minimum they were ambivalent, so are zombies, and some other categories.
Before those who are already trying to label me as some nutcase who's defending the bystanders get too far out of whack, I should make something perfectly clear.
I AM NOT defending the rapists; nor am I defending the bystanders' inaction. Obviously, the rapists deserve the full weight of the law being dropped on them (or worse). I don't know if the bystanders can be charged with any type of crime, such as accessory, but if they can, it should be done, and the maximum penalties imposed.
If I were one of those bystanders, I would have intervened. I hope I didn't give anybody the impression that I would have done nothing, simply because I'm against using the force of law to require people to get involved when a crime is being committed. I believe people should help others. I just don't believe that the government has the authority to require it.
Hopefully that cleared some things up.
I'm not sure what I would do. I definitely wouldn't stand there and watch it. When there is a herd mentality it could have been dangerous. If somebody tried to save the day..they could have been gang asskicked or killed.
I'm not sure what I would do. I definitely wouldn't stand there and watch it. When there is a herd mentality it could have been dangerous. If somebody tried to save the day..they could have been gang asskicked or killed.
I'll tell you what I would have done. Now, I'm a female so you can bet your butt I would not have gone into a mob of men, I'm not that stupid. I would however get the police on the phone pronto, alert security & school officials immediately & while doing all that I would find a big big big group of guys to come out & help that girl & give those bystanders & the guys doing it something they'd never forget. Then, I'd tell my parents, tell the other parents & alert the news media.
In Texas, a person can be brought up on charges, if they "do not come to the aid of a third party, that is under attack". they can also use all necessary force, Including deadly, to stop said assault.
Isn't there a law that if a person drives by an accident & doesn't stop or alert the authorities that they can get charged for that? I know this situation is a little different, but not really.
What do you want me to say madear. I disagreed with what I thought was his false premise. If you ride in that stolen car you are guilty as is the driver.
You are only "guilty" if you "don't" do something to thwart the effort of the driver ...
You can get out ... wave down passing motorists ... or find other ways to draw attention to the illegal activity that's going on ...
Or .. you can do nothing, and be just as guilty as the one driving the stolen car is, simply by going along for the ride.
The boys that stood around and "watched" .. and did exactly "nothing" .. are just as guilty of rape as the ones that were doing the actual raping.
Just exactly how hard can that be for folks to understand?
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Isn't there a law that if a person drives by an accident & doesn't stop or alert the authorities that they can get charged for that? I know this situation is a little different, but not really.
I believe its that: if you witness an accident and dont stick around to give an account of what happened you can be issued a citation for that. And there may also be some clause about "failure to stop and render aid" or something or other...I believe that is what you are referring to.
I'll tell you what I would have done. Now, I'm a female so you can bet your butt I would not have gone into a mob of men, I'm not that stupid. I would however get the police on the phone pronto, alert security & school officials immediately & while doing all that I would find a big big big group of guys to come out & help that girl & give those bystanders & the guys doing it something they'd never forget. Then, I'd tell my parents, tell the other parents & alert the news media.
I always knew that deep down you have the spirit of a conservative in you. You make me proud of my ability to assess a person even through their writing. Another five or six years you will no longer refer to yourself as a liberal or even necessarily a libertarian, simply and proudly a conservative. Karfar I voted for Jimmy Carter whom I despise now like the plague. In the words of Churchill or paraphraing anyways, "If your under 40 and your not a liberal you don't have a heart, if your over 40 and your not a conservative you don't have a brain."
I will make a bet that if someone did a poll here of conservatives and liberals you would find a very strong correlation with that statement.
Of course there are the moderates, sorta lost in the desert types, I'd say mostly between 38 and 42.
I don't hate liberals, I just feel kinda sorry for them. Such a misplaced waste of time, direction, and resources.
I always knew that deep down you have the spirit of a conservative in you. You make me proud of my ability to assess a person even through their writing. Another five or six years you will no longer refer to yourself as a liberal or even necessarily a libertarian, simply and proudly a conservative. Karfar I voted for Jimmy Carter whom I despise now like the plague. In the words of Churchill or paraphraing anyways, "If your under 40 and your not a liberal you don't have a heart, if your over 40 and your not a conservative you don't have a brain."
I will make a bet that if someone did a poll here of conservatives and liberals you would find a very strong correlation with that statement.
Of course there are the moderates, sorta lost in the desert types, I'd say mostly between 38 and 42.
I don't hate liberals, I just feel kinda sorry for them. Such a misplaced waste of time, direction, and resources.
I actually feel sorry for you because people's reaction to this crime is not based on their political affiliation. I believe you are the only one trying to make it so.
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Karfar I voted for Jimmy Carter whom I despise now like the plague. In the words of Churchill or paraphraing anyways, "If your under 40 and your not a liberal you don't have a heart, if your over 40 and your not a conservative you don't have a brain."
