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Conservative columnist George Will went after former Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday, saying the Bush administration could have used some "dithering" before they invaded Iraq. Will was responding to the VP's widely-circulated comment that President Obama was "dithering" on Afghanistan and putting troops in danger.
George Will To Cheney: You Should Have Dithered Before Invading Iraq (VIDEO) » Propeller (http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/10/26/george-will-to-cheney-you-should-have-dithered-before-invading-iraq-video/ - broken link)
Three cheers for George Will, one of the old-line respectable GOP folks who still has some credibility.
I've read in reputable places that planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq began almost as soon as Bush took office. No amount of dithering would've made a difference; Bush "talked to God" and then invaded. Good grief. If I talk to God, can I go kill thousands of my opponents?
The reasons for the invasion of Iraq are several:
- Cheney and the other neo-cons wanted to "finish" the 1991 Gulf War and get rid of Saddam, once and for all.
- George W. Bush's dysfunctional personality needed to upstage his father, show his father that he could cut the mustard as a "war president" and finish what his old man didn't. For full details on this, read "The Bush Tragedy" by Jacob Weisberg.
- NeoCons want a permanent U.S. military presence in the middle east, to assure access to oil, not to steal the oil, but to have access to it. For more on this, read "The Oil Factor" by Leeb. That's really why we're in Iraq. This was all pointed out very nicely in "The Oil Factor" back in 2003, which he wrote before the invasion of Iraq. Leeb told us that our military would be used, often, to assure that the western nations had access to oil. There will be more oil wars in the future until we get off that stuff. I think it's a disgrace that it's come to this. Carter tried to get the ball rolling to get us energy independent, subsequent administrations killed it and did nothing. Here we are, 30 years after Carter, still sucking the oil nipple. As soon as Bush took office, Cheney held his closed door meetings with the oil industry CEO's and war planning commenced in that timeframe. Bend over America.
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Three cheers for George Will, one of the old-line respectable GOP folks who still has some credibility.
I've read in reputable places that planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq began almost as soon as Bush took office. No amount of dithering would've made a difference; Bush "talked to God" and then invaded. Good grief. If I talk to God, can I go kill thousands of my opponents?
The reasons for the invasion of Iraq are several:
- Cheney and the other neo-cons wanted to "finish" the 1991 Gulf War and get rid of Saddam, once and for all.
- George W. Bush's dysfunctional personality needed to upstage his father, show his father that he could cut the mustard as a "war president" and finish what his old man didn't. For full details on this, read "The Bush Tragedy" by Jacob Weisberg.
- NeoCons want a permanent U.S. military presence in the middle east, to assure access to oil, not to steal the oil, but to have access to it. For more on this, read "The Oil Factor" by Leeb. That's really why we're in Iraq. This was all pointed out very nicely in "The Oil Factor" back in 2003, which he wrote before the invasion of Iraq. Leeb told us that our military would be used, often, to assure that the western nations had access to oil. There will be more oil wars in the future until we get off that stuff. I think it's a disgrace that it's come to this. Carter tried to get the ball rolling to get us energy independent, subsequent administrations killed it and did nothing. Here we are, 30 years after Carter, still sucking the oil nipple. As soon as Bush took office, Cheney held his closed door meetings with the oil industry CEO's and war planning commenced in that timeframe. Bend over America.
In 1998, Congress passed and Clinton signed a bill making regime change in Iraq official U.S. policy.
Also, Congress did vote to resume military action in Iraq. Were the Democrats in Congress part of Bush's "dysfunctional personality?"
Did those Democrats in Congress who voted "yes" to resume military action against Iraq part of the "neo-cons wanting to finish the 1991 Gulf War and get rid of Saddam once and for all?"
The Democrats who voted "Aye" to go into Iraq were victims like us, victims of the phony and pisspoor intel job that Bush/Cheney/Tenet crammed down all of our throats... yellowcake from S. Africa.... Al Queda meeting with Iraqi's in Vienna... mobile chemical warfare lab trucks ... WMD. All lies. The blood is on the hands of Bush, Cheney, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Perl, et al.
Nor does "regime change" EQUATE to "invasion" as there are many ways to achieve it. We recently came close to regime change in Iran, without a single U.S. soldier on the ground there; we'll see it someday.
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The Democrats who voted "Aye" to go into Iraq were victims like us, victims of the phony and pisspoor intel job that Bush/Cheney/Tenet crammed down all of our throats... yellowcake from S. Africa.... Al Queda meeting with Iraqi's in Vienna... mobile chemical warfare lab trucks ... WMD. All lies. The blood is on the hands of Bush, Cheney, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Perl, et al.
Nor does "regime change" EQUATE to "invasion" as there are many ways to achieve it. We recently came close to regime change in Iran, without a single U.S. soldier on the ground there; we'll see it someday.
The Democrats voted with their own free will. Don't give me this garbage that anyone crammed info down their throats... they were making the exact same claims of Iraq's WMD before Bush was president.
The Democrats voted with their own free will. Don't give me this garbage that anyone crammed info down their throats... they were making the exact same claims of Iraq's WMD before Bush was president.
Press Release of Intelligence Committee
Senate Intelligence Committee Unveils Final Phase II Reports on Prewar Iraq Intelligence
Two Bipartisan Reports Detail Administration Misstatements on Prewar Iraq Intelligence, and Inappropriate Intelligence Activities by Pentagon Policy Office --
Thursday, June 5, 2008
Washington, DC -- The Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, John D. (Jay) Rockefeller IV, and a bipartisan majority of the Committee (10-5), today unveiled the final two sections of its Phase II report on prewar intelligence. The first report details Administration prewar statements that, on numerous occasions, misrepresented the intelligence and the threat from Iraq. The second report details inappropriate, sensitive intelligence activities conducted by the DoD’s Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, without the knowledge of the Intelligence Community or the State Department.
“It is my belief that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq, and used the 9/11 attacks by al Qa’ida as justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. To accomplish this, top Administration officials made repeated statements that falsely linked Iraq and al Qa’ida as a single threat and insinuated that Iraq played a role in 9/11. Sadly, the Bush Administration led the nation into war under false pretenses.
In 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee unanimously approved a report acknowledging that it "did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments."
The following year, the Robb-Silberman report similarly found "no indication that the intelligence community distorted the evidence regarding Iraq's WMD."
Since the Democrats in Congress and intelligence organizations worldwide were making the same claims about WMD, either Bush AND the entire international intelligence community AND the Senate & House intelligence committee "lied," or none of them did.
Conservative columnist George Will went after former Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday, saying the Bush administration could have used some "dithering" before they invaded Iraq. Will was responding to the VP's widely-circulated comment that President Obama was "dithering" on Afghanistan and putting troops in danger.
George Will To Cheney: You Should Have Dithered Before Invading Iraq (VIDEO) » Propeller (http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/10/26/george-will-to-cheney-you-should-have-dithered-before-invading-iraq-video/ - broken link)
Oh, Cheney said it... is that why the recent rash of "Yuk yuk! Obama! Dithering!" cropped up here. I wondered.
The Democrats who voted "Aye" to go into Iraq were victims like us, victims of the phony and pisspoor intel job that Bush/Cheney/Tenet crammed down all of our throats... yellowcake from S. Africa.... Al Queda meeting with Iraqi's in Vienna... mobile chemical warfare lab trucks ... WMD. All lies. The blood is on the hands of Bush, Cheney, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Perl, et al.
Nor does "regime change" EQUATE to "invasion" as there are many ways to achieve it. We recently came close to regime change in Iran, without a single U.S. soldier on the ground there; we'll see it someday.
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You got it...there was also talk of a "mushroom cloud" that could be here in 40 minutes. We went to "spread democracy in the Middle East," except
we aren't a democracy according to the right wing. And there remains that inconvenient "Downing Street Memo" that ran Bush's lapdog out of office. It isn't a difficult concept: lie to frighten people, use that fear to do what you have planned, then profit. And profit. The blood is still on their hands.
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And there remains that inconvenient "Downing Street Memo" that ran Bush's lapdog out of office. It isn't a difficult concept: lie to frighten people, use that fear to do what you have planned, then profit. And profit. The blood is still on their hands.
