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Old 10-28-2009, 09:09 PM
 
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Cash for Clunkers cost taxpayers $24,000 per vehicle, analysis shows

Edmunds based its conclusion on an analysis that showed only 125,000 of the 690,000 vehicles sold could be directly attributed to the Clunkers program. It said the rest of the sales would have happened anyway.

Edmunds noted that the $24,000 nearly matches the average transaction price in August, which was $26,915 minus an average cash rebate of $1,667.
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Old 10-28-2009, 09:18 PM
 
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Cash for Clunkers cost taxpayers $24,000 per vehicle, analysis shows

Edmunds based its conclusion on an analysis that showed only 125,000 of the 690,000 vehicles sold could be directly attributed to the Clunkers program. It said the rest of the sales would have happened anyway.

Edmunds noted that the $24,000 nearly matches the average transaction price in August, which was $26,915 minus an average cash rebate of $1,667.
Big shock. Yet more evidence that the government is inept when it comes to business.
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Old 10-28-2009, 09:23 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Big shock. Yet more evidence that the government is inept when it comes to business.
What!! Another Obama idea in the RED. Come on, it was a wonderful idea wasn't it?

And some people want these nuts running our health care?

Holy crap people. Wake the heck up.

Obama and his team could not run a kool-aid stand without going broke withing the first hour.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Cash for clunkers is a bargain compared to the $8,000 homebuyer tax credit.

Proposed Expansions of Homebuyer Tax Credit Would Be Highly Inefficient and Squander Federal Resources — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
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Thus, under the NAR estimates, for every homebuyer who purchases a home as a result of the tax credit, there are another four receiving the credit who would have purchased a home anyway . As economist Ted Gayer at the Brookings Institution has noted, this implies that the current homebuyer credit will cost taxpayers $15 billion in lost revenues, or $43,000 for each additional home sold
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I think you people are kind of missing the point of the Stimulus. It was to help jump start the automakers by trying to expand vehicle sales. Which from what that article says, is what happened. You may think it cost too much, but the cash for clunkers program was an extreme bargain compared to the other programs, and it actually worked. What was it like, a couple billion? It has probably saved countless jobs, maybe helped make credit more fluid, and part of that money was paid back to the government in the taxes on the vehicles themselves. I even heard GM is going to reopen one of their plants.

There are plenty of other government programs that warrant complaints, please go on a rant about AIG, but complaining about the Cash for clunkers program IMO is foolish.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:28 AM
 
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I think you people are kind of missing the point of the Stimulus. It was to help jump start the automakers by trying to expand vehicle sales. Which from what that article says, is what happened. You may think it cost too much, but the cash for clunkers program was an extreme bargain compared to the other programs, and it actually worked. What was it like, a couple billion? It has probably saved countless jobs, maybe helped make credit more fluid, and part of that money was paid back to the government in the taxes on the vehicles themselves. I even heard GM is going to reopen one of their plants.

There are plenty of other government programs that warrant complaints, please go on a rant about AIG, but complaining about the Cash for clunkers program IMO is foolish.
Note to self: Never let Redsh manage any of my businesses.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Note to self: Never let Redsh manage any of my businesses.
He's also bought into every Billy Mays late night sales pitch - has the call in numbers on speed dial.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:56 AM
 
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I think you people are kind of missing the point of the Stimulus. It was to help jump start the automakers by trying to expand vehicle sales. Which from what that article says, is what happened. You may think it cost too much, but the cash for clunkers program was an extreme bargain compared to the other programs, and it actually worked. What was it like, a couple billion? It has probably saved countless jobs, maybe helped make credit more fluid, and part of that money was paid back to the government in the taxes on the vehicles themselves. I even heard GM is going to reopen one of their plants.

There are plenty of other government programs that warrant complaints, please go on a rant about AIG, but complaining about the Cash for clunkers program IMO is foolish.
I guess you missed the subsequent crash of auto sales the following month? Red hot sales during C4C, abysmmal sales after it ended. In other words, those people rushed to take advantage of free money, not rushed to buy a car. They would have bought a new car without the incentive.
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:13 AM
 
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Cash for Clunkers cost taxpayers $24,000 per vehicle, analysis shows

Edmunds based its conclusion on an analysis that showed only 125,000 of the 690,000 vehicles sold could be directly attributed to the Clunkers program. It said the rest of the sales would have happened anyway.

Edmunds noted that the $24,000 nearly matches the average transaction price in August, which was $26,915 minus an average cash rebate of $1,667.
Does anybody question the assumption of this analysis that 565,000 vehicles would have been sold "anyway"? Yes, obviously some people are still going to trade in older vehicles for new ones, but you cannot assume that 565,000 people that qualified for the "cash for clunkers" program did not find the program an incentive to do it when they did. When I look at cars on-line, I always answer the questionaire that I intend to trade in my vehicle within the next year, but hoping to do so, and actually doing so are two different things. I think this program gave people more incentive to do so, and if that incentive played a role in their decision, even a small role, it's unfair to discount it entirely. I think Edmunds makes a good point about the program, but I also think his analysis is flawed.
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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It's based on sales during the same time period from previous years.
Of course not 100% accurate, but hardly a wild guess like your insinuating.
Cash for Clunkers created a bubble that larglely took away from future sales.
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