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Oh give me a break...Yeah, all us white males really have it rough don't we? Why me?
I go to bed every night praying that God will turn me black or Hispanic..
At what point did I say it sucked to be a white man? To the contrary, it's freaking outstanding! I really wouldn't want to be anything else and spend all my time blaming my own failures on someone else.
Don't confuse a statement of fact with self pity. I have a great life. But I do get a bit tired of the same old blame game that seems to focus on the white male. I'm a little tired of some folks who seem to think I should feel guilty about my own success and that I should somehow reward them for their failure. It gets old.
At what point did I say it sucked to be a white man? To the contrary, it's freaking outstanding! I really wouldn't want to be anything else and spend all my time blaming my own failures on someone else.
Don't confuse a statement of fact with self pity. I have a great life. But I do get a bit tired of the same old blame game that seems to focus on the white male. I'm a little tired of some folks who seem to think I should feel guilty about my own success and that I should somehow reward them for their failure. It gets old.
Hate crime laws make you feel guilty about your success? Who are the "some folks" who are being rewarded for failure with hate crime legislation? What are you being blamed for with the implementation of hate crime laws?
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I disagree. I am not part of a racial group and neither is anyone else, unless you consider the genus Homo to be a race. (It isn't)
This law is stupid in a vast number of ways, too many to really get into here.
Because you think hate laws are bad for a vast number of reasons, I'll gives the main reason I think hate crime laws are important. A hate crime means a crime that is motivated mostly by the perpetrators hatred of an aspect of a person's identity. That is the some motivation behind genocide. A hate crime is a baby step toward genocide, and as students of the 20th century, we should all agree that genocide is horrible. So it makes sense to me to impose a slightly harsher penalty on people who exhibit faintly genocidal behavior. Remember again, that it is possible to commit a hate crime against a white man. That was the whole point of this thread.
Hate crime laws make you feel guilty about your success? Who are the "some folks" who are being rewarded for failure with hate crime legislation? What are you being blamed for with the implementation of hate crime laws?
Exactly where did I say I felt guilty? Re-read the post.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I am posting this thread, which I expect to be controversial, because I realized yesterday that someone, as a fellow white person, was thoroughly convinced that whiteness wasn't a racial category, and therefore he had been arguing against hate crime legislation because he thought it only applied to what he called "special groups," which, by his definition, only included people who were either homosexual or people who weren't white. I pointed out that the category "white people" was itself a special group, so it wasn't necessarily excluded from hate crimes legislation. In other words, he was making the argument that straight white men weren't a "protected group" under such legislation, and that made him feel excluded. I was making the argument that yes, in fact, he was. White males are among the groups--which include us all--that hate crime legislation protects. If someone was killed specifically because they were white, they could be prosecuted under hate crimes legislation. Likewise, if someone were killed because they were straight, their killers could also be prosecuted under such legislation. This concept seemed to be either so revelatory or so basic that he never responded back.
That's why I decided to post that concept here because it might prove to be equally instructive. Straight and white people, I'd like you to know from a fellow straight and white person that you also belong to a group that is marked by its racial and sexual orientation characteristics, and when you get mad about how hate crimes protect "special groups of people," you reveal your ignorance of the fact that you are also a member of a "special group of people." It's possible that you might be a victim of a hate crime, just like someone else might. The most important point I'm trying to make is that being white and straight is not the normal, unmarked state of being against which every other state of being should be measured. If you really think it is, then you really should try to get over the special status you think your state of being confers. You are not that special--every other member of every other group has just as legitimate a claim to feel safe as you do. I think if we all admitted that, the world would be a better place. If you, straight and white people, were victimized because of who you are, wouldn't you want that context to be taken into account? I think you would, and quiet as it's kept, I'm just sayin' that that is the case, and for the past several hundred years, it always has been.
I am not white. I am Irish and Osage. I do not check any categories on forms and never have. And until they put one that says "none of my GD business" I won't choose a category.
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