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Old 11-01-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Honestly the idiocy astounds me. If you insist on gettin' jiggy with someone who has just stepped off a plane, and looks a tad unwell, common sense safe sex practices still apply.
Sometimes the sex with an HIV-infected individual is not consensual as in rape cases.
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Old 11-01-2009, 12:09 AM
 
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Sometimes the sex with an HIV-infected individual is not consensual as in rape cases.
Agreed.

That is one thing I thought about when I was posting.

What if they come from a HIV infected place and rape women here like the man who raped six women?
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Old 11-01-2009, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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A condom is not 100% protection from AIDS and people are going to have sex with people who are not long term partners. That is a fact.
Use of a condom greatly reduces your risk of STDs and as you point out people will have sex with people who are not long term partners. The solution isn't to ban entry of people to the US with STDs. Don't forget there are actually Americans with STDs.
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Old 11-01-2009, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I disagree. I think Americans are educated about HIV and the majority of HIV positive people are responsible. I don't think that the people who immigrate to this country will have the same knowledge and responsiblility.

Don't count on other people to protect you, use condoms.
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Old 11-01-2009, 07:46 AM
 
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I have mixed feelings on this.

On one side, strict implementation of the "no HIV" policy would bar otherwise healthy and productive people like Magic Johnson from entering the US. I know he is an American citizen, but I'm just using that as an example.

On the other side, containing HIV is a very legitimate public health policy. Perhaps the most legitimate since that is the sort of thing that public health was originally conceived as doing. I mean with all the whining about virtually non-existent public health threats like secondhand smoke, you'd think you might want to focus on something that is known for a fact that it WILL kill other people if they catch it from you; everyone who gets HIV either dies with it or from it. Plus, I am willing to beat that if I had HIV, I can kill for more people with my penis than I could ever hope to from my cigarette.
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Old 11-01-2009, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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You all realize that this ban is for people traveling to the US, included tourists and business people, not just immigrants, don't you?
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Old 11-01-2009, 08:32 AM
 
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You all realize that this ban is for people traveling to the US, included tourists and business people, not just immigrants, don't you?
Yes, and HIV can come from the penis of a Thai businessman or a Dutch tourist just the same as a Haitian immigrant.
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Old 11-01-2009, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Yes, and HIV can come from the penis of a Thai businessman or a Dutch tourist just the same as a Haitian immigrant.
And an American basketball player.
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Old 11-01-2009, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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Yes, and HIV can come from the penis of a Thai businessman or a Dutch tourist just the same as a Haitian immigrant.
Got a penis-as-a-deadly-weapon thing going there, eh?
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Old 11-01-2009, 09:00 AM
 
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Listen, think about it, do you really think the ban stopped the dishonest HIV infected people from entering the country in the first place? All this does is allow the good people, the perfectly normal honest people who happen to be HIV infected to be allowed to visit and POSSIBLY immigrate. They aren't going to allow all HIV people to become immigrants, they just aren't going to use the disease to say they can't. It is the same logic used against gun control, bans like this without any merit only work for the good people, the bad folks wouldn't give a crap anyway. It's not like we all have to walk around proving our HIV status.

Like someone has already mentioned, it really won't change anything for the average person. It appeases a group of people without really doing much at all.
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