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Have you ever heard of or read about Jim Crowe laws??
White people were not tried for murder after they lynched black people.
Jim Crowe Laws were about separate but equal public facilities. What are you going to try and tell me, they had a separate but equal law for murder by lynching.
If they weren't tried or if the trial was a shame (if there was one), it was because racism and hate....there was no law that allowed it nor is there one that can change it....laws don't stop people from being racist and hating (even if they do get tried and found guilty...and go to prison...where they'll find even more of it). People stop racism....the way it's viewed has shifted enough to where the majority realize it and are aginst it.....that's when they want laws written specifically about stopping racism. It's already the view of the majority, that's why it can be done. It's not something the minority want and are able to pass alaw about it (how's that going to happen), which then forces the majority to stop being racist because the minority made a law to stop them from being that was so they're just going to have to listen and knock it off.....how's that going to work?
Here's something you can read about Jim Crowe Laws (a link to the source follows the quote):
Jim Crow laws were a product of the solidly Democratic South. Conservative white Southern Democrats, exploiting racial fear and attacking the corruption (real or perceived) of Reconstruction Republican governments, took over state governments in the South in the 1870s and dominated them for nearly 100 years, chiefly as a result of disenfranchisement of most blacks through statute and constitutions. In 1956, southern resistance to the Supreme Court's ruling in Brown v. Board of Education resulted in a resolution called the Southern Manifesto. It was read into the Congressional Record and supported by 96 southern congressmen and senators, all but two of them southern Democrats.
Ya, ya, ya, I knew all that. thanks for the history lesson pal.
Ok, you're saying you already knew that and agree with me? Then why did you say this (which is what I was replying to you about):
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Originally Posted by Hombre57
Because racism is still a problem. Libs pioneered legislation for the civil rights act and LBJ signed the bill into laws. Without this, many whites would possibly still attend hangings of blacks, and many other abuses.
Is racism dead? No, it's still alive and doing well, there are people who still carry the hatred through their own ignorance, and lack of education.
Which one is it, the way you explained it or the way I did:
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Originally Posted by Danno3314
You think because the civil rights act was signed into law, it stopped hangings....that's murder....there were already laws about that remember. People stop racism....not a law. The civil rights act came about because that's what people (the country) wanted. It wasn't just what liberals wanted so LBJ signed it into law and everybody else in the country (all the white people that were left), just obeyed it and stooped attending hangings....."many whites"....what is that suppose to mean. That's flat out insulting!
You forgot something....before the civil rights act act could get signed.....they had to abolish slavery about a hundred years earlier and that was the republicans from the north that did it....they didn't pioneer it though....they just fought and died for it in the Civil War.
So, is it your position that until we have "mind control" nothing should be done to work against hate groups? Do you know what hate groups are? Are you aware that hate groups such as the KKK most DEFINITELY acted on their hatred? And are you aware that there continue to be organized "hate groups" all over the country?
Perhaps you would find that a bit of research on this subject would be enormously enlightening for you.........
In the meantime, this excerpt may give you some idea of where racism and hate groups can lead:
"Less than a month after a right-wing extremist allegedly shot to death three police officers in Pittsburgh, a National Guard soldier whose wife said he was "severely disturbed" by the election of Barack Obama killed two Okaloosa County, Fla., sheriff's deputies in a shootout. The April 25 double murder marked yet another deadly incident in a nationwide flurry of right-wing extremist violence and plots in the months leading up to and following the election of the nation's first non-white president."
I think you're missing something. The people in this country acknowledged racism and decided they didn't wan it a long time ago....when those who took that view finally became the majority and that majority has increased ever since. You're not going to have the minority (which is a small amount of people now....when you put things into perspective), make the overwhelming majority of us, change our view on this and start going back to the stone age.
What you are going to have with a country of 305 million people, is a small amount that will always be racist....you're going to have another small amount that are mentally unstable....and then you're going to have yet another amount, which will be the largest of the three, that will attract new members into there group. This last one is makes up a huge chuck what of your hate group map.....it's mostly because of prison....criminals (at least in this country). When you go to prison, you have to join a gang (and the gangs are organized by race), if you don't want to serve your entire sentence as everyones bit*h, rather than just belong to a few or if you're lucky, no one. White prisoners that choose to do this (which make up the minority in prison....which is even more the reason most do it), have to join the nazi's/skinhead/arians. When they get out of jail many will go hook up with they group they became a loyal member of while in prison. For many, that's their new family and sadly the people they've learn to trust and accept as their friends. This is why you see all the communicating that goes on between them on the Internet....that's their friends and don't forget, they're all ex-felons....most were into committing crimes and with many they still are or could do so easily without the moral issues and guilt that prevent the rest of us would have...they already crossed that line. If the Internet was around back when the KKK had their regular lynchings, there no doubt would have been some communicating but, more like pedophiles do....using a lot of code words. You wouldn't see open socializing like you might see now on forums they post on....to most people, they stayed annonymous (they hid behind a sheet because of what they did and stood for)...rather than want everyone to know that they were members of a group that will protect them.
If you ever watch National Geographic, they had one show on about the arian brotherhood in San Quentin. They had reorganized and because they were become such a small gang compared to the others they were in prison with, they needed to make it known that they were willing to do anything necessary to prove their point...so, they do things like kill guards for no reason at all....just so that others would see how crazy they were.
Last edited by Danno3314; 11-02-2009 at 04:38 AM..
Im beginning to wonder is there any real conversation going on here, or is it just people arguing.
It looks like the people in this and every other race-related thread in this section (which is near 50% of all threads here practically) fall into 3 catagories.
1. Racists who either want to bait an argument, or fish for others like them to get them to agree with how evil and dangerous the (fill in the blank group) are.
2. People who somehow believe they can actually change those in #1's minds by shooting down their arguments. If you step back and look at it, its a pretty silly thought. Any weirdo stupid enough to think his skin color makes him superior to someone else is not going to have enough wheels turning to be reasoned with as an adult.
or
3. People pretending to be something they are not for the sake of arguing. These folks are easy to point out because somehow they always feel the need to make reference to 'who/what' they are in arguments. "...and I know because Im ______".
Ok, you're saying you already knew that and agree with me? Then why did you say this (which is what I was replying to you about):
Which one is it, the way you explained it or the way I did:
Make up your mind pal.
I think you're missing something pal.
I respectfully disagree with your drivels pal.
You missed the OP's points totally. Stats don't fib.
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"Racism is a serious problem in America. Fueled by immigration fears, the economic crisis and the election of a black president, racist hate groups increased their numbers again in 2008. The Southern Poverty Law Center has documented a staggering 926 hate groups operating in our country — a more than 50% increase since 2000."
You think because the civil rights act was signed into law, it stopped hangings....that's murder....there were already laws about that remember. People stop racism....not a law. The civil rights act came about because that's what people (the country) wanted. It wasn't just what liberals wanted so LBJ signed it into law and everybody else in the country (all the white people that were left), just obeyed it and stooped attending hangings....."many whites"....what is that suppose to mean. That's flat out insulting!
You forgot something....before the civil rights act act could get signed.....they had to abolish slavery about a hundred years earlier and that was the republicans from the north that did it....they didn't pioneer it though....they just fought and died for it in the Civil War.
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many whites
{The second Klan was a formal fraternal organization, with a national and state structure. At its peak in the mid-1920s, the organization included about 15% of the nation's eligible population, approximately 4–5 million men.[4]Internal divisions and external opposition brought about a sharp decline in membership, which had dropped to about 30,000 by 1930. The Klan's popularity fell further during the Great Depression and World War II.[5]}
The way that the right wing media is going, they're fostering these hate groups and fanning the flames.
If you didn't read the OP, go back and read it again, a 50% increase in hate groups. People like Limbaugh do not help the situation either.
LBJ and liberals pioneered the signing of the civil rights act into law. Although the civil rights movement was ongoing since the end of WW2.
Maybe black people are getting more obnoxious..so it's become easier to recruit. Florida is extremely racist though. I lived in Atlanta where white people are the minority and there is almost a silent racism....but yeah..white people in Florida are terrible in nearly all aspects of life. haha...and I'm a prejudice person and they even make me feel bad.
This is exactly what I was driving at. But, I don't really agree with the philosophy that blacks are becoming more obnoxious, I think hatred being spewed by the airwaves, and the hate groups have found a new reason to increase their numbers, America's first black president. It's probably enough for dead KKK members to turn over in their graves.
Just because there are hate crime laws doesn't mean that racism isn't there, it probably is, but in a quieter fashion today, it's more covert. And whenever racism is mentioned, people disagree with it because they're not facing the truth of the matter, and dismiss it as BS.
I saw that interview with a spokesman for SPLC and the guy looked like a real weirdo. If you have a guy making claims at least have him look like he's all there and not in need of medication. At best their findings are speculative and suspect.
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