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Old 10-31-2009, 02:32 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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If you have a non-partisan thread left in your body wake up and make yourself aware of what is going on people. You are being fleeced over and over again, election after election.

Ethics panel scrutinizing dozens of House members

Members of the House Appropriations Committee's defense subcommittee had steered targeted appropriations called earmarks to clients of a now-defunct lobbying firm — PMA — and received contributions from the firm and its clients.

The names of defense subcommittee chairman John Murtha, D-Pa., and Democratic members Jim Moran of Virginia and Peter Visclosky of Indiana had previously surfaced in connection with the inquiry.

The document adds the names of Norm Dicks, D-Wash.; Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio; ranking subcommittee Republican C.W. Bill Young of Florida and Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan.

All four have received campaign contributions from PMA's political action committee and employees. Donation figures compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics show that:

Ethics panel scrutinizing dozens of House members - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congress_leaked_ethics_report - broken link)
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:59 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Yes, I heard this also. It seems there is so much corruption in D.C. that people accept it as "the way things are". It's noticeable that when it's you're party member who has transgressed, you try to ignore it. If it's the other party, you jump to point it out (not you, just generic 'you'). It's human nature to see others' faults and not one's own. And when election time rolls around, people seem to either not vote, or vote the same officials in again. I believe people are tired and have grown complacent.
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Old 10-31-2009, 06:55 AM
 
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IMO that's why all campaign finance laws are a joke. Have one law, you can take unlimited amounts of money from anyone to run, but every penny has to be meticulously and immediately posted online for anyone to see (not just constituents).

If you are caught hiding anything you are immediately impeached and have to step down. Not this Charlie Rangel or John Murtha nonsense, no more hiding behind ethics panels (our politicians running ethics panels, is there anything more absurd).
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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IMO that's why all campaign finance laws are a joke. Have one law, you can take unlimited amounts of money from anyone to run, but every penny has to be meticulously and immediately posted online for anyone to see (not just constituents).

If you are caught hiding anything you are immediately impeached and have to step down. Not this Charlie Rangel or John Murtha nonsense, no more hiding behind ethics panels (our politicians running ethics panels, is there anything more absurd).
If only.....
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:32 AM
 
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And it's up to the voters to decide whether or not to reelect their Congressmen. I'm not sure what else the OP wants to do about it.
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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If you have a non-partisan thread left in your body wake up and make yourself aware of what is going on people. You are being fleeced over and over again, election after election.

Ethics panel scrutinizing dozens of House members

Members of the House Appropriations Committee's defense subcommittee had steered targeted appropriations called earmarks to clients of a now-defunct lobbying firm — PMA — and received contributions from the firm and its clients.

The names of defense subcommittee chairman John Murtha, D-Pa., and Democratic members Jim Moran of Virginia and Peter Visclosky of Indiana had previously surfaced in connection with the inquiry.

The document adds the names of Norm Dicks, D-Wash.; Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio; ranking subcommittee Republican C.W. Bill Young of Florida and Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan.

All four have received campaign contributions from PMA's political action committee and employees. Donation figures compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics show that:

Ethics panel scrutinizing dozens of House members - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congress_leaked_ethics_report - broken link)

Nancy Pelosi already "drained the swamp". She just replaced the natural habitat with swamp monsters.
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:49 PM
 
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Read this and weep, I posted this on other threads, but in case you missed it.

Will the Corporate Supremes Now Dance on Democracy's Corpse?

The Four Courtsmen of the Apocalypse are poised to finally bury American democracy in corporate money. The most powerful institution in human history -- the global corporation -- may soon take definitive possession of our electoral process. It could happen very soon.

While America agonizes over health care, energy and war, Justices John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas could make it all moot. They may now have the fifth Supreme Court vote they need to open the final floodgates on corporate spending in political campaigns.

Harvey Wasserman: Will the Corporate Supremes Now Dance on Democracy's Corpse?
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:55 PM
 
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Harvey Wasserman is a senior advisor to Greenpeace USA and the Nuclear Information & Resource Service. I'm sure he very objective about all this.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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We just realize that both parties candidates are criminals. So if you have criminal A running against criminal B, you have to accept that your Congressman will be a criminal no matter which one you elect. So then they question becomes which criminal will do the most for you? And unless you are rich, stupid or a religious nutcase, usually the answer is the Democrat.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:16 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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We just realize that both parties candidates are criminals. So if you have criminal A running against criminal B, you have to accept that your Congressman will be a criminal no matter which one you elect. So then they question becomes which criminal will do the most for you? And unless you are rich, stupid or a religious nutcase, usually the answer is the Democrat.
Actually, it's a toss-up. Six of one and half dozen of the other or, to put it plainly: there's no difference.

However, you may be quite correct in this aspect: The Democrat will do the most for you, in terms of handouts.
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