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I don't think government should provide subsidies to begin with.
Agreed, so whats your point?
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
Are you telling me that health care system in America will cease to exist without government intervention to help them be around?
So its ok for the government to cut their payments and make those with insurance subsidize the govts lack of paying their "fair share"? Wouldnt that lead to higher costs for the insurance companies? Why would people keep private care if this is the result?
According to a preliminary estimate by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, expanding coverage to an additional 36 million Americans would cost $1.055 trillion over the next decade under the House plan
That doesn't include the $250 Billion "doctor fix".
And now one more bit of fine print. The budget office, in its report on the House bill, warned that its analysis was preliminary in a section titled “Important Caveats Regarding This Preliminary Analysis.”
“For a number of reasons, the preliminary analysis that is provided in this letter does not constitute a final and comprehensive cost estimate,” the budget office wrote. “Although C.B.O. completed a preliminary review of legislative language prior to its release, the agency has not thoroughly reviewed the introduced legislation to verify its consistency with the previous draft. Moreover, the analysis does not reflect all of the provisions of the bill.”
Then why are you crying out loud with words like "rationing". Clearly, you want government to keep providing subsidies to privately run businesses.
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So its ok for the government to cut their payments and make those with insurance subsidize the govts lack of paying their "fair share"? Wouldnt that lead to higher costs for the insurance companies? Why would people keep private care if this is the result?
What did you agree with me then? You seem to like government intervention to run private businesses.
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I guess you showed me..
I wouldn't dare, anymore. I know, you can't (or won't).
Then why are you crying out loud with words like "rationing". Clearly, you want government to keep providing subsidies to privately run businesses.
I'm stating a fact, those who dont believe this is rationing havent read/understood the outcome. Call it what it is and move on..
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
What did you agree with me then? You seem to like government intervention to run private businesses.
Its a fact that if the government CUTS back on their payments due to "budgets" the outcome is rationing and higher costs for those not on the government plan because these costs need to come from somewhere. PERIOD. Who the heck said anything about the government intervention into private businesses? Since you brought up private businesses, you wouldnt for a second allow your insurance company to "ration" your care based upon budgets, why is this not an issue when the government is doing it?
Again
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Originally Posted by pghquest
Do you often need to makeup arguments of the other side in order to argue your own?
You've just done it again, made up an argument as to where I would stand upon government intervention of private businesses, and then argued for/against it..
I'm stating a fact, those who dont believe this is rationing havent read/understood the outcome. Call it what it is and move on..
So you disagree. You believe government should intervene and help run businesses (per your whim, of course).
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Its a fact that if the government CUTS back on their payments due to "budgets" the outcome is rationing and higher costs for those not on the government plan because these costs need to come from somewhere.
So, government should never cut back its expenses, or it is rationing. Health care to people depends on the government. Nice! Welcome to reality.
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Since you brought up private businesses, you wouldnt for a second allow your insurance company to "ration" your care based upon budgets, why is this not an issue when the government is doing it?
They do today. People are denied coverage, sometimes purged off the coverage and restrictions placed on people who are undergoing treatment. But then, accepting this would be akin to giving up Ostrich Syndrome.
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You've just done it again, made up an argument as to where I would stand upon government intervention of private businesses, and then argued for/against it..
You've been consistent when it comes to health care reform (elsewhere you flip, but thats not the point of this discussion). Nothing wrong with expecting government handouts to help businesses run.
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