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Old 11-05-2009, 10:07 AM
 
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Starting in the early 1990s, three large American industry groups set to work on strategies to cast doubt on the science of climate change. Even though the oil industry's own scientists had declared, as early as 1995, that human-induced climate change was undeniable, the American Petroleum Institute, the Western Fuels Association (a coal-fired electrical industry consortium) and a Philip Morris-sponsored anti-science group called TASSC all drafted and promoted campaigns of climate change disinformation.

The success of those plans is self-evident. . . .

Climate Cover-Up / The Crusade to Deny Global Warming

PR Executive James Hoggan on “Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming”

PR Executive James Hoggan on "Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming"
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:16 AM
 
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The title of the PR Execs report is wrong in the first place.

I don't know of many people at all who deny global warming. What I do know is that people deny humans contribution to the global warming.

Do you remember in the 70s when global freezing was supposed to send us into the next ice age?
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Starting in the early 1990s, three large American industry groups set to work on strategies to cast doubt on the science of climate change. Even though the oil industry's own scientists had declared, as early as 1995, that human-induced climate change was undeniable, the American Petroleum Institute, the Western Fuels Association (a coal-fired electrical industry consortium) and a Philip Morris-sponsored anti-science group called TASSC all drafted and promoted campaigns of climate change disinformation.

The success of those plans is self-evident. . . .

Climate Cover-Up / The Crusade to Deny Global Warming

PR Executive James Hoggan on “Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming”

PR Executive James Hoggan on "Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming"
But the warmers hadn't come up with climate change and were still on global warming in the early 1990's. That sentence sounds to me like it is just a bit of misdirection just like all the rest of that Pelosi about human caused global warming.
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:20 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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And still not a single one of them has produced a study that proves the link between man's activities and global warming.

A few say things like, "Man is burning a lot more fossil fuels now than he did a hundred years ago. The climate is getting (warmer, cooler, insert the emergency of the day here). Therefore, man's burning fossil fuels has caused the climate to change in that way."

This is known as the "breakfast causes lunch" fallacy.

Others write large, solemn "studies" which use no scientific procedures, but which refer to other studies for "proof". Those other studies usually refer to yet more studies, which refer to more, etc.,... and if you follow the trail to its final end, you find it pointing to one study that uses the same "breakfast causes lunch" method of drawing conclusions. All without a single study that actually proves any connection at all.

It's very significant, that after 40+ years of screaming, insistence, and political demagoguery, there is STILL not a single study actually showing any real effect. You'd think that, if there were any real connection between man's activities and global whatever, the liberals would have been able to find it by now. But they have come up with nothing, zip, zero, nada. Despite 40+ years of trying.

The arrogance of their assumption that microscopic beings on the planet, burning microscopic amounts of fuels (compared to the size of the planet and its atmosphere), can change the climate, has blinded these leftists to the reality of how small and unimportant man is to the functioning of an entire planet.
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:44 AM
 
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Starting in the early 1990s, three large American industry groups set to work on strategies to cast doubt on the science of climate change. Even though the oil industry's own scientists had declared, as early as 1995, that human-induced climate change was undeniable, the American Petroleum Institute, the Western Fuels Association (a coal-fired electrical industry consortium) and a Philip Morris-sponsored anti-science group called TASSC all drafted and promoted campaigns of climate change disinformation.

The success of those plans is self-evident. . . .

Climate Cover-Up / The Crusade to Deny Global Warming

PR Executive James Hoggan on “Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming”

PR Executive James Hoggan on "Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming"
Let’s just start with the premise here

Oil Company scientists in 1995 stated that human-induced climate change was undeniable.

Down here in the South we call that a LIE and by LIE I am not talking about a highway someplace in New York….


Why you ask? Well let’s discuss shall we?


Clearly warming was occurring in 1995 however conventional wisdom at the time was that the Middle Ages experienced a period of warming that was both longer and warmer than the late 20th century. Some scientists were suggesting that Human action might be the culprit, but there was certainly no way to suggest that there was a material difference between the late 20th century warming and the Medieval Warming Period.

In fact until 1998, IPCC was still using a graph that showed the MWP and the Little Ice Age. Enter Michael Mann et all 1998 (MBH98).

It was this seminal work that created a new graph that flat lined the temperature record for both the MWP and the LIA.

It is impossible to state that in 1995 that these scientists were stating that human induced climate change was undeniable. Further the term “Climate Change” is a far later term. At that point we called it Global Warming. Or Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Find something that doesn’t start with a lie for a premise and you might get folks who aren’t drinking your coolaid to listen.
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:49 AM
 
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And still not a single one of them has produced a study that proves the link between man's activities and global warming.

A few say things like, "Man is burning a lot more fossil fuels now than he did a hundred years ago. The climate is getting (warmer, cooler, insert the emergency of the day here). Therefore, man's burning fossil fuels has caused the climate to change in that way."

This is known as the "breakfast causes lunch" fallacy.

Others write large, solemn "studies" which use no scientific procedures, but which refer to other studies for "proof". Those other studies usually refer to yet more studies, which refer to more, etc.,... and if you follow the trail to its final end, you find it pointing to one study that uses the same "breakfast causes lunch" method of drawing conclusions. All without a single study that actually proves any connection at all.

It's very significant, that after 40+ years of screaming, insistence, and political demagoguery, there is STILL not a single study actually showing any real effect. You'd think that, if there were any real connection between man's activities and global whatever, the liberals would have been able to find it by now. But they have come up with nothing, zip, zero, nada. Despite 40+ years of trying.

The arrogance of their assumption that microscopic beings on the planet, burning microscopic amounts of fuels (compared to the size of the planet and its atmosphere), can change the climate, has blinded these leftists to the reality of how small and unimportant man is to the functioning of an entire planet.
The funny (if not scary) thing about the above statement i bolded, is that right now work is being done that proves the science points away from AGW, but the "scientists" who did the work, appear to have inverted their end results. What that means is, where the DATA (the hard science) shows no AGW, thier twisting of the data "proves" AGW.

That is either horrible scientific method or fraud.

Now that they have been called on it, some are saying it never happened, others are saying, yea but it isnt "material"

which is complete bunk.
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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The only thing people are denying is that global warming is man made and will have any affect on anything. The Earth warms. The Earth cools. The Earth spins and revolves. It always has and it always will. To think that man, who has been here for only a fraction of the Earth's lifetime, can have such a colossal effect on the planet in such a short time is stupid. People that fall for this garbage are just looking for something to be passionate about, or dumb.
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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I am continually surprised by the arrogance of those who believe that global warming is due to manmade CO2 without showing PROOF of it... its simple... if CO2 traps heat and earth is a ball surrounded by CO2.. global temperatures would increase and NEVER decrease... we have decreases here and there... so what do they do? Well CO2 doesn't really trap heat... huh? It causes "climate change" W T H?? Anyone with a brain can figure out if you put a CO2 layer in a ball, its temperature would increase and not decrease... decreases in temperatures around the world should be a HUGE clue that manmade CO2 global warming is bunk... but that's how scientists earn money to prove their falsehood with bogus data... people have done far worse for money... and now the carbon credit system... how would you like it if your tax dollars went directly into the CEOs pocket cause that is exactly what that is... to bad Obama is too blind or dumb to realize what it is...
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:15 AM
 
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I dont need to go any further than the first sentence to find the LIE..
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Starting in the early 1990s, three large American industry groups set to work on strategies to cast doubt on the science of climate change.
In 1990, climate change wasnt even being discussed.

GLOBAL WARMING was.. You dont get to change the terminology 20 years later and then pretend its the same..
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Old 11-18-2009, 02:57 AM
 
Location: SA
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I think the earth goes through cycles. We have little affect on it. It will continue to do so with or with out us. After going through a few of the summers in Texas I can't wait until I can go back home to NY in November and enjoy the 90 degree days.
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