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Old 11-07-2009, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Houston
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It's no news that our health care system sucks and has been broken for decades.
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Old 11-07-2009, 08:22 AM
 
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The cost of the free health care given out to many is simply passed on to those who pay and to the taxpayers. One reason private insurance costs so much is the free care given to the uninsured gets passed right on to the insured patients. 9 out of 10 people in the ER may be paying nothing at all, but that doesn't mean the doctors and nurses go unpaid. They will be very well paid, and it's the poor insured patient whose premiums will be going up.
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Old 11-07-2009, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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It is completely free for many. Check it out. The millions of people here illegally pay zero when they go to an emergency room.
An ER will always bill. They may not always collect, but they will always bill.
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Old 11-07-2009, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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CHICAGO - Americans are more likely than people in 10 other countries to have trouble getting medical treatment because of insurance restrictions or cost, an international survey of primary care doctors released on Wednesday found.

While the United States spends more than twice as much as other developed countries on healthcare, it lags well behind in key measures of quality, the annual survey found.

U.S. Spends Most, But Health Quality Lags (http://www.newsmax.com/us/us_healthcare/2009/11/05/282003.html - broken link)
Doctors in this country want to do as much as they can to heal their patients, so they employ the best medical technology available. MRI, Cat Scans, PET-CT diagnostic medical equipment for mammograms, 4-D and 3-D ultrasounds are expensive, and our medical costs have risen dramatically in comparison to the 1950s, one reason is because of all the latest advances in medical technology. Americans have always wanted the best, and we have it.

In a medium sized town in America the waiting line for a CAT or MRI scan can commonly be performed in as little as two days. Canada has so few of these scanners that wait times can take months.

There are ways we can lower the costs of our medical care, but I do not see the democrats offering any.
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Old 11-07-2009, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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How is going to an Emergency room "free"?
Simple, you just take your phony picture ID and stolen SS number, go back home, and don't pay the hospital bill.
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Old 11-07-2009, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Here
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How is going to an Emergency room "free"? This post makes no sense.
I don't know. Ask an illegal.

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Face it, the American system of health care is broken, completely and utterly broken.
The Census Bureau estimates that the number of uninsured amounts to 45.7 million people. But the agency might be overcounting by millions due to faulty assumptions. Another problem: That 45.7 million figure includes undocumented immigrants and those who opt to simply not by coverage and spend money on other things. We've got over 300M people but 25M don't have insurance so lets scrap the entire system. Sounds like a plan.


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If it's so great then why are we always near the bottom of everything from quality of life(medically speaking) to our high rates of infant mortality.
This clearly has more to do with people lifestyle than it does quality of care. The care is top notch here in the US. The problem is, we've become a nations of lardassses who binge drink and gorge on fastfood all the while maintaining an exercise routine consisting of walking to and from the refrigerator or having sex and pumping out yet another kid we can't afford.

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I am disgusted by this current system in which the only ppl who can afford great health care are the wealthy. Tell me that's not sinister when the poor thru the middle class often suffer rather than accrue horrendous debt. What does it say about our society when only the wealthy are entitled to good health care?
Odd, I've got a ton of middle-class friends and guess what? They all have health insurance. Imagine that! Middle-class people with healthcare. I must live in the only area where this phenomenon is occurring.
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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Well -- most health care problems are due to obesity, lack of exercise, drinking and drugging to excess. The healthiest people don't get healthy because they run to a doctor once a month, they are healthy because they ate right, exercized, didn't drink in excess and so on.

"STOP THE LIES MALAMUTE.... PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS YOU RIGHT RING CRAZY" - typical lib
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Well -- most health care problems are due to obesity, lack of exercise, drinking and drugging to excess. People want to spend their money at liquor stores, buy meth from their favorite drug dealer, sit around playing video games, watching television for hours and still be healthier than anyone in any other country.

The healthiest people don't get healthy because they run to a doctor once a month, they are healthy because they ate right, exercized, didn't drink in excess and so on.
Care to provide some documentation for "most health care problems" being due to the above?
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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How is going to an Emergency room "free"? This post makes no sense. Face it, the American system of health care is broken, completely and utterly broken. If it's so great then why are we always near the bottom of everything from quality of life(medically speaking) to our high rates of infant mortality. I am disgusted by this current system in which the only ppl who can afford great health care are the wealthy. Tell me that's not sinister when the poor thru the middle class often suffer rather than accrue horrendous debt. What does it say about our society when only the wealthy are entitled to good health care?
Many thousands of people a day go to the ER for treatment (including issuing pain pills) and don't pay a dime. This cost is passed onto the paying customers.
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Old 11-07-2009, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Care to provide some documentation for "most health care problems" being due to the above?
I work at an 11 floor hospital. We've had to begun installing toilets that can handle almost 1,000 lbs because patients were breaking our regular toilets. We retrofit some of our toilets to handle a little more than 500 lbs but found this won't be enough. The only cost effective means is to purchase several portable toilets that can withstand 1,000 and bring them out as needed. We currently lease several bariatric patient beds. These beds are so expensive that it is more cost effective to lease the beds as needed. We've had to change the types of chairs in our ER waiting area because some of our guest were complaining they couldn't sit between the arm rest of the previous chairs.
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