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Hey, I'm not the one pushing the propaganda video about evil corporations like ADM and Monsanto creating GE and GM foods that cause flipper babies and man boobs.
I don't recall mentioning anything about flipper babies, and man boobs are caused by other things like excessive alcohol consumption as well. I could care less that it's a result of regular milk or not. I choose not to purchase it and that's that.
Actually, I could care less about whether Monsanto actually patents seeds. What I do care about is how they can force neighboring farmers into being new customers simply because of cross-pollination. Farmer Joe should not owe Monsanto one thin dime just because Farmer Bob uses Monsanto seeds. It's also illegal to harvest Monsanto seeds, which is considered a property rights violation.
Many foods grown using these techniques lack nutrients so you're actually getting a false sense of security thinking that you're eating healthy.
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There's money involved to be sure. The front groups are always a smoke screen.
Probably, but I took the movie for what it provided: education. The corporations give no such education so to me they offer nothing of value. Also, similiar to what the movie recommends, it's helpful to protest with your wallet and was even mentioned as the primary motivator for why Wal-Mart entered the organic business.
Before dismissing movies as somehow "Michael Moorish" or some sort of socialist conspiracy, it would be helpful to actually watch it. Otherwise, like I said, you're at a severe disadvantage in terms of debating it.
Actually, Michael Moore is "in your face" journalism and edits things regularly, plus has a political agenda which is typically liberal. This movie was about educating folks on how food is transitioned from factory to plate. It's only the RINOs who haven't watched the film who think this is some sort of socialist conspiracy against corporate interests. Of course you haven't seen it either, which puts you at a great disadvantage in this debate.
Actaully you are right, I haven't seen the movie and do not intend to see it....but no, I am not at a disadvantage.
I know propaganda without seeing every bit of it and say what you want, I would rather see people buying produce in a super market than not being able to buy it at all. I said this on the other thread as well.
I am all for buying from local farmers when it is available and when one can afford the extra cost; yes, it is more expensive most of the time. Not everyone can afford to purchase locally and not every part of the country has produce available from Oct to about June.
Scare Tactics have been around for as long as I can remember. These types of movies do nothing but give people more ammunition to push their views down everyones throat. I have read the other thread about the movie, I know. Yes, this is another attempt at government take over.
The film has nothing to do with federal intervention in food control actually there's no food controls because the FDA and similar federal bureaus are topped by ex-agribusiness board members.
You should watch the film before you voice concerns that I am advocating government intervention.
It is interesting this thread just came up. A friend of mine was just saying she watched this last night and the thought of eating meat now repulses her. I have not seen it and don't know what it is about but will have to check it out. It doesn't sound like this is an issue that is left or right.
Actaully you are right, I haven't seen the movie and do not intend to see it....but no, I am not at a disadvantage.
Of course you're at a disadvantage. Since you're the kind of person who judges a book by its cover based on your kneejerk judgmental stance, your ability to properly debate a topic like this is severely constrained. Just like the typical defensive attitude exhibited by modern day folks, it's no wonder you'd defend your position when you haven't even seen the movie.
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I know propaganda without seeing every bit of it and say what you want, I would rather see people buying produce in a super market than not being able to buy it at all. I said this on the other thread as well.
The movie doesn't send this particular message at all. Actually, it favors buying produce as opposed to buying fast food. The optimal approach is to buy local and yes it is most certainly affordable since most Americans purchase useless electronic gadgets or other trinkets instead of actually buying food that will make them healthier.
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I am all for buying from local farmers when it is available and when one can afford the extra cost; yes, it is more expensive most of the time. Not everyone can afford to purchase locally and not every part of the country has produce available from Oct to about June.
That's why there's jarring and dehydrating. Fat lazy suburbans won't understand this concept.
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Scare Tactics have been around for as long as I can remember. These types of movies do nothing but give people more ammunition to push their views down everyones throat. I have read the other thread about the movie, I know. Yes, this is another attempt at government take over.
Actually, the end of Food Inc. simply talks about encouraging families to eat together at least once or twice a week, and to cook more meals at home, and to shop more often at farmer's markets. So what if Applebee's and TGI Friday's goes bankrupt as a result? America was built on small business and it would actually be stronger if all of the chain fat&salt restaurants became broke and in their place we had high quality ingredients from local farms. God Bless America and capitalism!
The point is that Food Inc. educates and tells people to vote with their wallets, not by picketing on Washington.
You are totally mistaken.
Considering your geographic location, I am completely surprised as well.
The number of farms that surround our area are astonishing. We are so very lucky to live in this agriculturally blessed area.
The opportunities here for getting to know your neighbors/farmers/ranchers/growers are more abundant than almost anywhere else in this entire country.
As for the affordability + education point you made, you owe it to yourself to learn more about our local agriculture folks. You will readily find that the affordability is there.
Yep. My local farmers market is FAR cheaper than buying produce, fruit, jams, bread etc etc. than the local chain stores. Of course, there are two local chain-ish stores that buy the majority of their produce locally. I go there if I'm not able to catch a Farmer's market. It's also not that much more expensive to go directly to a local butcher and buy meat.
I think it's really funny that people actually think that I'm 'elitist' because I support my local family farmers...plus get better food in the process.
You are totally mistaken.
Considering your geographic location, I am completely surprised as well.
The number of farms that surround our area are astonishing. We are so very lucky to live in this agriculturally blessed area.
The opportunities here for getting to know your neighbors/farmers/ranchers/growers are more abundant than almost anywhere else in this entire country.
As for the affordability + education point you made, you owe it to yourself to learn more about our local agriculture folks. You will readily find that the affordability is there.
First off, I don't drink wine.. Also, I have attempted to visit local farmer's markets and check out the "organic locally grown" offerings, which are much more expensive than regularly priced produced at Safeway or at Super Wal-Mart..
Many of the farmers/ranchers/growers etc.. in the area also contribute to the huge influx of illegal aliens in the area.. I'd much rather make purchases at Safeway that ensure that American citizens are employed as stockers, cashiers, baggers, etc.. Buying overpriced produced because it is marked "organic" is not something that I choose to participate in nor should anyone be forced to...
I am NOT mistaken for believing in consumer choice.. If people choose to spend extra money for "locally grown organic" more power to them, if people choose to buy Genetically Modified at Super Wal-Mart, more power to them too.. IF there is no demand for a specific type of produce, then the supply will decline.. Creating taxes or regulations that FORCE consumers into the "slow food" industry..
Although they are unhealthy, if MANY restaurants fast food and otherwise were allowed to go out of business, many more Americans would be unemployed, the same if Americans were forced to spend more on groceries, many retailers where Americans would have traditionally spent their disposable income would NOT be in business as well..
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Yep. My local farmers market is FAR cheaper than buying produce, fruit, jams, bread etc etc. than the local chain stores. Of course, there are two local chain-ish stores that buy the majority of their produce locally. I go there if I'm not able to catch a Farmer's market. It's also not that much more expensive to go directly to a local butcher and buy meat.
I think it's really funny that people actually think that I'm 'elitist' because I support my local family farmers...plus get better food in the process.
JetJockey,
I have no idea where you live but the comment about local farmers being cheaper does depend on where you live and the time of the year. When I am buying in bulk to do my canning, yes, buying direct is less expensive. I just did my apples and apple butter this morning. But when simply buying a couple of items, in small quantity from the farmers markets it is much more expensive most of the time. This holds true with the meat situation. No, our local butcher is about twice as expensive as our local markets.
Of course you're at a disadvantage. Since you're the kind of person who judges a book by its cover based on your kneejerk judgmental stance, your ability to properly debate a topic like this is severely constrained. Just like the typical defensive attitude exhibited by modern day folks, it's no wonder you'd defend your position when you haven't even seen the movie.
The movie doesn't send this particular message at all. Actually, it favors buying produce as opposed to buying fast food. The optimal approach is to buy local and yes it is most certainly affordable since most Americans purchase useless electronic gadgets or other trinkets instead of actually buying food that will make them healthier.
That's why there's jarring and dehydrating. Fat lazy suburbans won't understand this concept.
Actually, the end of Food Inc. simply talks about encouraging families to eat together at least once or twice a week, and to cook more meals at home, and to shop more often at farmer's markets. So what if Applebee's and TGI Friday's goes bankrupt as a result? America was built on small business and it would actually be stronger if all of the chain fat&salt restaurants became broke and in their place we had high quality ingredients from local farms. God Bless America and capitalism!
The point is that Food Inc. educates and tells people to vote with their wallets, not by picketing on Washington.
you have your views, I have mine. Again, you talk about dehydrating and jarring (normally I will add is called canning or preserving) of course this, again is a great idea. You wouldn't beleive my pantry or my ribbons, obviously I support doing just that, but again, not everyone can take the time to can. It is time consuming and until you have all the needed equiptment very expensive. Working families, do not have that kind of time. If mommy and daddy both work, want to spend time with their kids doing kid activities, clean house, keep the yard in repair and all the other chores, canning isn't always in their plans. We are not living in a rural age, but an urban one.
I happen to agree about the chain restaurants as well, but no, I do not want to see them all go belly up..There are times when it is ok to decide to stop in and grab a quick bite at one of these places. It is better to support your local independent restaurant, but again, we can't really go backwards and that is what you are suggesting. And thank God for capitalism..
I have no idea where you live but the comment about local farmers being cheaper does depend on where you live and the time of the year. When I am buying in bulk to do my canning, yes, buying direct is less expensive. I just did my apples and apple butter this morning. But when simply buying a couple of items, in small quantity from the farmers markets it is much more expensive most of the time. This holds true with the meat situation. No, our local butcher is about twice as expensive as our local markets.
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Coastal California. So, I have lots of options since most food can be grown year round with the weather we get here. It definitely depends on where you live, though. I'm EXTREMELY lucky to be where I am, we have at least one farmers market a day (on Thursdays and Saturdays there are three, in different towns) so no matter what day it is, I can drive and get great food.
Grocery store wise, they have to truck in all the foods whereas the FM are less than 15 miles from the farms themselves. I think that's a big part on why it's so much cheaper for us. We also have a few organic farms (plus our university) that gives a hefty discount if you donate 1 or 2 ours a week at the farm.
Our local butcher is competitively priced compared to our local chain stores. We don't eat meat often, but our local university has a poultry processing plant where we can get cheap fryers. Beef and pork isn't much more expensive either.
The answer isnt to target and villify the "industrialized food complex"; if you are at odds with the system, stop using it and find alternatives. Find yourself a coop, there are farmers markets available for grocery shopping too. And you can compost, grow your own vegs/fruits and raise chickens all in your own back yard.
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