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View Poll Results: Are the Fry's and Safeway unions acting in the best interests of the workers by forcing a strike?
No, and I will cross the picket lines 6 85.71%
No, but I will not cross the picket lines 0 0%
Yes, but I will cross the picket lines 0 0%
Yes, and I will not cross the picket lines 1 14.29%
Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-08-2009, 08:57 PM
 
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Are the workers allowed to vote on whether or not to strike?

Strike looming for employees at Valley Fry's, Safeway stores
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:00 PM
 
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Are the workers allowed to vote on whether or not to strike?

Strike looming for employees at Valley Fry's, Safeway stores
I have never heard of a union going on strike without a vote of the membership, and the same goes for ending a strike.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:01 PM
 
Location: southern california
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in a world of pay and benefit cuts i marvel that american labor is still so very anti labor.
just when did it become patriotic to be min wage no benefits.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:05 PM
 
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If you read the story you realize that they are all bad at math. They are going to strike at a payrate of $150 per week (a substantial paycut) because they don't want to pay $5 a week in health insurance. The whole country has to pay something for their insurance. I hope they fire them all and hire illegals. Sanganista would approve. Keep the illegals is her call sign, if I remember correctly.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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If you read the story you realize that they are all bad at math. They are going to strike at a payrate of $150 per week (a substantial paycut) because they don't want to pay $5 a week in health insurance. The whole country has to pay something for their insurance. I hope they fire them all and hire illegals. Sanganista would approve. Keep the illegals is her call sign, if I remember correctly.
Shweeeeeeet!!!
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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It is interesting that a union of unskilled workers is even considering a strike. What they apparently do not realize is just how easy they are to replace. Unions are formed by skilled workers who cannot be easily replaced - Hence why a strike is successful by coal miners, factory workers, etc. If a group of unskilled workers strike, they can just as easily be fired and replaced. That is why unions are typically useless when formed by people who have no real advantage over their employer, and why they are hardly successful in minimum wage, aside from the temporary nature of the work (who works at a grocery store for more than 6 months - 2 years?) and fleeting membership.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:18 PM
 
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If you read the story you realize that they are all bad at math. They are going to strike at a payrate of $150 per week (a substantial paycut) because they don't want to pay $5 a week in health insurance. The whole country has to pay something for their insurance. I hope they fire them all and hire illegals. Sanganista would approve. Keep the illegals is her call sign, if I remember correctly.
Don't all the illegals have mediical cards?
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Old 11-09-2009, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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In todays economy anyone who goes out of strike needs their heads examined...especially over a $5 increase in anything.

Nita
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:19 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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in a world of pay and benefit cuts i marvel that american labor is still so very anti labor.
just when did it become patriotic to be min wage no benefits.
I agree with you and deplore the pillaging of this country and its workers by big corporations while so many just sit silently. But this is not the issue that should be the focus of the fight.

I don't know where this notion came from that workers - or anyone, for that matter - is entitled to unlimited free "health care". That "blank check" mentality is the foundation of the crisis we face in "health care" costs. It is why the system is overused to an utterly ridiculous level and why big corporations have moved in to rake up the enormous profits that result from endless needless prescriptions and procedures administered in an environment with no competition or concern about cost. Employers cannot and should not be expected to bear the full burden of this upward cost spiral. Individuals need to take their share of the responsibility and make wiser decisions. With most people, apparently the only way to accomplish this is by compelling them to bear a greater share of the costs.

Again, all I'm saying is that "health care" is not the hill the union should select as the one to die on. In the big picture, I am with the American worker in the battle against the plutocracy that we have become. This "health care" fight - which if won by the union would just serve to keep big corporate "health care" companies fat and happy - is wasted time and effort that should be focused on the fight for better wages, against the exploitation of illegal immigrant labor, and against the outsourcing of jobs overseas.
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Old 11-09-2009, 08:05 AM
 
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I don't suppose we have a Valley Fry's here, and there is not a Safeway anywhere close. Maybe I'll do an internet search for Safeway so I can find one close enough to allow me to drive there and cross the picket lines.
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