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Old 11-25-2009, 06:37 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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I was referring to the statement about me being in the minority because most pro-life folks are for the death penalty (paraphrase). Do you have proof of that statement?
Oh sorry about that, It was based on conversations and other posts
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:42 PM
 
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No woman is forced to raise a child they do not want. They could have easily signed away their parental rights.
To who? Do you realize that minority children are 2-3 times as likely to spend their whole childhoods in foster care compared to whites? This is usually the start of a dysfunctional childhood/adulthood.

Personally, I think that it is cruel to have a child a give it away to someone who does not have the biological ties and in many cases love that the child needs in order to live a productive life.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:57 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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To who? Do you realize that minority children are 2-3 times as likely to spend their whole childhoods in foster care compared to whites? This is usually the start of a dysfunctional childhood/adulthood.

Personally, I think that it is cruel to have a child a give it away to someone who does not have the biological ties and in many cases love that the child needs in order to live a productive life.
So having the unborn child torn apart limb by limb in an abortion procedure isn't cruel?
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:03 PM
 
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So having the unborn child torn apart limb by limb in an abortion procedure isn't cruel?
I do not condone termination of a prenancy after the first trimester, before that the FETUS has no consciousness. But if you want the most basic answer no, compared to the living hell abandoned young girls have to go through before they reach adulthood.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:04 PM
 
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So having the unborn child torn apart limb by limb in an abortion procedure isn't cruel?
chat most abortions are first trimester, up until 8 weeks the fetus does not have arms and legs. at 8 weeks you stubs for arms start to develop but there are no legs.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:18 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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I do not condone termination of a prenancy after the first trimester, before that the FETUS has no consciousness. But if you want the most basic answer no, compared to the living hell abandoned young girls have to go through before they reach adulthood.
How do you know that the "fetus" does not have the capabilities to feel pain in the first trimester?
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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How do you know that the "fetus" does not have the capabilities to feel pain in the first trimester?
JAMA -- Abstract: Fetal Pain: A Systematic Multidisciplinary Review of the Evidence, August 24/31, 2005, Lee et al. 294 (8): 947

Neurodevelopmental changes of fetal pain. [Semin Perinatol. 2007] - PubMed result
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:10 PM
 
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How do you know that the "fetus" does not have the capabilities to feel pain in the first trimester?
not until the fetus reaches at least 23 weeks are there any pain receptors developed.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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They sell a kit for those pesky late periods. Women are taking charge of our own bodies. Women get together, and set things right for the "delayed menses." Yay women power. No men allowed.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:45 PM
 
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I do not condone termination of a prenancy after the first trimester, before that the FETUS has no consciousness. But if you want the most basic answer no, compared to the living hell abandoned young girls have to go through before they reach adulthood.
That is how I feel. I believe in woman's choice 100 percent in the first 3 or 4 months as well. ESPECIALLY in cases or rape and/or incest. No woman who was raped should EVER have to go through suffering so much mentally and physically for 9 months and more. I am VERY strongly against that. I could never look a woman who was raped in the eye and tell her that she MUST continue the pregnancy.

After that, I would be strongly against abortion unless there is danger to the mother and/or SERIOUS problems (like very BAD fetus defects or dead fetus).
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