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Old 11-14-2009, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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SPLCenter.org: Irreconcilable Differences

I don't know anything about him but I googled him and they have quite a few web sites on him.

Only thing I know is America is made up of numerous races and cultures, so yes, we do have more problems than other countries that are all one race and culture.
I don't agree with everything the man says, I definitely don't agree with all of his political associations, but it doesn't make his words any less true.

I am not right-wing at all, by most I would probably be considered a flaming liberal. But when someone is correct, should you not at least acknowledge it? I hate Glenn Beck, but every once in a while he definitely gets it right, same with O'reilly.
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Old 11-14-2009, 12:20 AM
 
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First off, if you support the welfare state, then you're not a conservative.
Incorrect on two counts. No one is advocating a welfare state, they are plenty of countries deemed "socialist" but doesn't have welfare at all, like Costa Rica, no welfare checks there.

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Simply a system that has proven to not be as effective at providing the resources and oppertunity for a country to succeed.
You're talking about communism. Socialist policies combined with capitalism has been shown to be successful.
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Old 11-14-2009, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I know something about this man. He refers to Black people is "deviant", and "pathological" as to say only persons of African descent have these issues. He is an avowed racist, of the David Duke variety. He may not use racial slurs or talk of killing people, but he is a racist. He does believe in eugenics and "racial supremacy".
As for race and socialism, the USA is a nation where pathologies about control have reigned. Basically, race(or better yet, skin color) was used as a form of control to keep people from rebellion. The reason socialism has never really taken form the way it has in other nations is because people have used race as a form of control. Basically, you have the powers that have been, that make race and skin tone a priority over economic necessity. A good example of this is Bacon's Rebellion. African slaves(and indentured servants) and European indentured servants got together and encited rebellion. They were not happy with their treatment, so they rebelled. The elites saw this as a threat and convinced the European indentured servants that their skin color was more important than their economic status. They were given small plots of land, given the right to own property, the right to testify in court, and were put on slave patrols. The African slaves were given none of that. They would continue to be slaves all the way through the Civil War. Socialism didn't take root because race got in the way. Go to the Civil War. There were elite Southerners openly admitting that the reason they were ready to secede was to keep slaves. I have proof right here, and there are also sourcces listed too:Confronting Civil War Revisionism: Why The South Went To War - News We're Not Getting From MSM
Get this:Most of the South's White population was poor and didn't own slaves. How do you get people who don't own slaves to fight to keep slavery? Convince them that if the slaves were free, it would cause them trouble. The South was severely dependent on slave labor.
Socialism has not been able to get a foothold in the USA because of racism. Racism is a pathology of control. People in charge wanted control.
Even though it may seem like racism, the truth is, Eugenics pretty much has to exist. There are just differences between the races that becomes pretty evident especially in sports.

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What else could explain the clear superiority of West Africans (including black American descendants) at the sports of Football, basketball, and sprinting ? The long, lean physique of East Africans, plus other physiological factors, explains their dominance in endurance running. East Asians are excellent divers, gymnasts and skaters. Whites are more naturally suited to endurance aerobic events such as swimming ; top weightlifters and bodybuilders tend to come out of southeast Europe (Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria)
The very fact that people in northern Europe are white(because its cold and dark much of the year, so they have a harder time absorbing vitamin d from the sun) and Africans are dark(have heavy pigment to block sun because its sunny and warm), should be enough to prove there is a difference between each race.

So if there are such huge differences between humans as to their appearances and physicality(like blacks dominate American football and Basketball). Why is it so far fetched to believe that there could be differences in IQ in the races?

Because it isn't politically correct, because whoever is inferior will feel victimized. I have to admit, it doesn't do much good in a multi-culturalist society to ever prove or disprove the eugenics of IQ levels.

I am a white male, Irish/English/French/German blood. When it comes to eugenics, all tests have tended to show that East asians(Chinese/Japanese/Koreans/etc) have a higher IQ level than Western Europeans on average. Does it hurt my feelings? Not really. Does it make me feel inferior to them? Nope. I actually kind of expected it.

Anyone who doesn't believe to some extent that eugenics is real, is intentionally trying to fool themselves.
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Old 11-14-2009, 04:32 AM
 
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/\ I don't know if I buy this whole argument. NY and CA are arguably close to European levels of social welfare and both are some of the most diverse areas of the US. Contrast that w/ the mountain west: Very conservative and very un-diverse.
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Old 11-14-2009, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Saturn
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World's Happiest Countries are Democracies with generous social programs.

World's Happiest Places - Forbes.com
Not on American city in the top 20 best places to live in the world
13 European cities make the list :

Stockholm, Luxembourg, Berlin, Brussels, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Bern, Frankfurt, Munich, Dusseldorf , Geneva, Zurich, Vienna

Canadian, Australian and New Zealand cities feature.


Says it all really about America.

Thank God for Europe.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:16 AM
 
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It's amazing how most people seem unwilling to accept any middle ground. Not just on this issue, but most of them. It's like people have to be on one side or the other..no compromise. Let's evolve a bit.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:22 AM
 
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No, we are not a democracy. I can't believe how many people think this. We are a representative republic. If it was a democracy, we would all have the oppurtunity to vote on every piece of legislation drafted.
Well, what if we voted somebody into office that let us vote on legislation?
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:25 AM
 
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Even though it may seem like racism, the truth is, Eugenics pretty much has to exist. There are just differences between the races that becomes pretty evident especially in sports.



The very fact that people in northern Europe are white(because its cold and dark much of the year, so they have a harder time absorbing vitamin d from the sun) and Africans are dark(have heavy pigment to block sun because its sunny and warm), should be enough to prove there is a difference between each race.

So if there are such huge differences between humans as to their appearances and physicality(like blacks dominate American football and Basketball). Why is it so far fetched to believe that there could be differences in IQ in the races?

Because it isn't politically correct, because whoever is inferior will feel victimized. I have to admit, it doesn't do much good in a multi-culturalist society to ever prove or disprove the eugenics of IQ levels.

I am a white male, Irish/English/French/German blood. When it comes to eugenics, all tests have tended to show that East asians(Chinese/Japanese/Koreans/etc) have a higher IQ level than Western Europeans on average. Does it hurt my feelings? Not really. Does it make me feel inferior to them? Nope. I actually kind of expected it.

Anyone who doesn't believe to some extent that eugenics is real, is intentionally trying to fool themselves.
IQ tests are biased to begin with:Are IQ Tests Biased?

The reason a multicultural society like the USA has had trouble working is because alot of people have used the idea of one group being inferior to another to keep them down. You should read things on American history. IQ scores aren't going to mean anything to me. How do they help me? IQ scores were only used to help one group and emiserate another. You don't consider alot of other factors at stake. As for people of European descent being lighter due the location, that isn't eugenics. That is just an adaptation. People adapt to the environments they live in. It doesn't make them inferior or superior, just products of their environment.
If all of the races realized that their economic necessity was much more important than their skin color, a socialist movement might have actually worked, because it wouldn't be about keeping certain resources away from others. Everyone would share in it and perhaps the education gap in the USA would not have exists. Blacks and Whites would have had the same opportunity to learn and be educated. Instead of listening to Jared Taylor, go type in Tim Wise. There are some books he wrote and some speeches he made.
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Old 11-14-2009, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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I agree...

This country is headed in that direction anyway, so might as well get used to it.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Not on American city in the top 20 best places to live in the world
13 European cities make the list :

Stockholm, Luxembourg, Berlin, Brussels, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Bern, Frankfurt, Munich, Dusseldorf , Geneva, Zurich, Vienna

Canadian, Australian and New Zealand cities feature.


Says it all really about America.

Thank God for Europe.
Thank God for Europe? Guess where two major wars in the 20th century started?

Thank God for the United States of America!
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