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Old 11-14-2009, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Sylva, NC
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Absolutely UNTRUE and when i tell people in the UK about these so called "panels" that refuse treatment based on "life expectancy" in the UK they burst out laughing. My Father is 88 and was given 5 defibs when he recently had a cardiac arrest and is now having a triple bypass operation and mitral valve replacement. He has had angiograms, echocardiograms, x-rays numerous blood tests and many other tests. This is quite normal for all ages in the UK. Healthcare is NOT rationed in the UK except in the eyes of the media.
These are facts and not media lies to get viewers or sell papers.
Great...and how is he paying for all this care? Oh, wait. He's not. All the working people are.
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Old 11-14-2009, 10:12 PM
 
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Yes socialism is fine, we've been practicing it for our arms industry the last 8 years;, oops, sorry, in the dictionary that's called fascism.
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Old 11-15-2009, 09:17 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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If youi want to live like the soviets did then go ahead;but it is not fine with me. he only poeople who think its fine asre the deadbeats that do better of sate income than on their own alos as far as getting ahead. You certainly are not conservative of you think governamnt running things is good. Socailism is when the governamnt controls the means of prodcution and the revenues produced.The opposite of capitalism where there is private ownership and they retein the revenues of the production.
You really have no idea what Socialism is and the difference betwen Socialism and communism. Maybe you get your ideas from books. The fact is that Socialism is far removed from Communism yet Some Americans think they are the same. Go to a socialist Country such as the UK and you wil see that Socialism and Capitalism run side by side, hand in hand. We do NOT look at British Citizens who need help as "Scroungers". We are quite happy to pay tax for the benefit of our People and our Country. The UK is NOT in the pockets of the huge corporations as America is today.
When i talk to my American neighbours in the USA they all agree that America has been destroyed by greed and corruption and it must change.
Please stop using the term Communism to try to scare people and make them think that to help your fellow American is some communist evil....It ISN'T. Communism is NOT Socialism.
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Old 11-15-2009, 09:37 AM
 
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You really have no idea what Socialism is and the difference betwen Socialism and communism. Maybe you get your ideas from books. The fact is that Socialism is far removed from Communism yet Some Americans think they are the same. Go to a socialist Country such as the UK and you wil see that Socialism and Capitalism run side by side, hand in hand. We do NOT look at British Citizens who need help as "Scroungers". We are quite happy to pay tax for the benefit of our People and our Country. The UK is NOT in the pockets of the huge corporations as America is today.
When i talk to my American neighbours in the USA they all agree that America has been destroyed by greed and corruption and it must change.
Please stop using the term Communism to try to scare people and make them think that to help your fellow American is some communist evil....It ISN'T. Communism is NOT Socialism.
Thank you. There is a big difference between socialism and communism. Socialism has respect to private property. Communism does not. Some communist governments have practiced socialism, but it is really more of a dictatorship. Socialism is what Sweden has. You can still own a business. Communism doesn't allow that, in most cases.
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Old 11-15-2009, 09:50 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Thank you. There is a big difference between socialism and communism. Socialism has respect to private property. Communism does not. Some communist governments have practiced socialism, but it is really more of a dictatorship. Socialism is what Sweden has. You can still own a business. Communism doesn't allow that, in most cases.
Absolutely.
In fact Communism should be where everyone is equal and share everything, this is impossible but the truth is that Communist Countries are the poor being ruled and manipulated by the rich.
If you look at different Countries around the World, America is closer to the Communist Countries than the UK for example. America is ruled by the big corporations and the Rich with the poor not even able to have health care or good Schooling. This is what Russia is like, The Rich with everything and the poor fighting for everything....Sooooooooo Similar to todays America.
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Old 11-15-2009, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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It is the Free Market system that has made America great.

And, it will again
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Old 11-15-2009, 10:07 AM
 
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It is the Free Market system that has made America great.

And, it will again
I am going to be very blunt, and some people are not going to like this. The USA has never been a Free Market economy. Free Market economy implies that everyone is included and gets to participate. For many years, many people in the USA were kept out of the free market in many ways.
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Old 11-15-2009, 11:17 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I am going to be very blunt, and some people are not going to like this. The USA has never been a Free Market economy. Free Market economy implies that everyone is included and gets to participate. For many years, many people in the USA were kept out of the free market in many ways.
You are 100% right.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:05 AM
 
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I am going to be very blunt, and some people are not going to like this. The USA has never been a Free Market economy. Free Market economy implies that everyone is included and gets to participate. For many years, many people in the USA were kept out of the free market in many ways.
How so? I can go all around and see yard sales. I can go to flea markets and see people like my sister sell their items. The operating system you're on was born and bred in a garage by Gates and Allen. The computer and how it was made and it's availability was advanced by a couple of guys in a garage in silicone valley and turned into one of the largest printed circuit board manufacturers in the world, Solectronics, I used to work for them. Is it a totally free market system like in Singapore? No but they also have zero accountability for their economy although their economy does speak volumes for what a true free market can provide for people. They have one of the highest population densities in the world. As Friedman said they vote with their feet.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:11 AM
 
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You really have no idea what Socialism is and the difference betwen Socialism and communism. Maybe you get your ideas from books. The fact is that Socialism is far removed from Communism yet Some Americans think they are the same. Go to a socialist Country such as the UK and you wil see that Socialism and Capitalism run side by side, hand in hand. We do NOT look at British Citizens who need help as "Scroungers". We are quite happy to pay tax for the benefit of our People and our Country. The UK is NOT in the pockets of the huge corporations as America is today.
When i talk to my American neighbours in the USA they all agree that America has been destroyed by greed and corruption and it must change.
Please stop using the term Communism to try to scare people and make them think that to help your fellow American is some communist evil....It ISN'T. Communism is NOT Socialism.
Far removed? They're brothers or sisters how ever you want to look at it. The move in either direction turns one or the other into it's sibling. Although possible it would be a much greater leap and liberalization for either to move more towards capitalism. It was a desire of the communist to take over the world they still had a name of The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

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The People's Republic of China (PRC) (simplified Chinese: 中华人民共和国; traditional Chinese: 中華人民共和國; pinyin: Zhōnghuá Rénmín (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/R%C3%A9nm%C3%ADn - broken link) Gònghéguó (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/G%C3%B2ngh%C3%A9gu%C3%B3 - broken link))), commonly known as China, is the largest country in East Asia and the most populous in the world with over 1.3 billion people, approximately one-fifth of the world's population. It is a socialist republic (specifically a people's democratic dictatorship according to its constitution) ruled by the Communist Party of China under a single-party system,[10]
People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So the real world application is quiet a bit more complicated than the text book terms used in here as some means to act superior.
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