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Old 04-11-2011, 09:42 PM
 
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Agreed!
Maybe you would like to explore the best path to peace, freedom, fairness and non-violence?

We can achieve a fair society without using force on innocent peaceful people.

Citizens Dividend guaranteed income social dividend basic income Thomas Paine
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:51 PM
 
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How free are Europeans? What kind of quality of life do they have? They aren't complaining Norwegians enjoy new government paid cars, 2 weeks paid tropical vacations, year long maternity leaves, and full govt paid vacations. There is zero poverty there too!
You should stay in Norway then because that could never happen on the scale of the united states without the continued oppression.

Are you a lutheran?

http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/reso...y-profile.html

Religions: Evangelical Lutheran 86% (state church),
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:45 PM
 
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Maybe you would like to explore the best path to peace, freedom, fairness and non-violence?

We can achieve a fair society without using force on innocent peaceful people.

Citizens Dividend guaranteed income social dividend basic income Thomas Paine

Honestly, you are having a conversation by your self, about violence and peace. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You keep asking me questions that are not relevant.
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:47 PM
 
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You should stay in Norway then because that could never happen on the scale of the united states without the continued oppression.

Are you a lutheran?

Norway - Language, Culture, Customs and Etiquette

Religions: Evangelical Lutheran 86% (state church),

Why can't it happen in the US? Oh wait, I know, greed. No, I am not Lutheran!
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:54 AM
 
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Why can't it happen in the US? Oh wait, I know, greed. No, I am not Lutheran!
86% of population in Norway are members of a government run church.
That is not allowed in the USA.
That is why the USA was founded.
And yes,churches are oppressive by their very nature.
There is 2 classes of people that go to church.
Leaders and followers.

Maybe you would enjoy minority status in Norway,maybe not.

And it is not greed in the USA that is the problem.
It is the politicians assisting the greedy that is the problem.
Do you think Norway has no greed involved?
Religion is a powerful thing.
If you could only go back and ask king george.

Heck,king obama has been acting like USA is a constitutional monarchy and look at the 14 trillion debt he created.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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How free are Europeans? What kind of quality of life do they have? They aren't complaining Norwegians enjoy new government paid cars, 2 weeks paid tropical vacations, year long maternity leaves, and full govt paid vacations. There is zero poverty there too!
While I agree with you in general, in the intrest f accuracy, Norwegians get 5 weeks or more of employer-paid vacations, and no government paid cars. Poverty depends on your definition of poverty, there is always someone with less money than others.

But yes there are year-long maternity leaves, and a much greater level of personal freedom for the average citizen than in the USA.
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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86% of population in Norway are members of a government run church.
That is not allowed in the USA.
That is why the USA was founded.
And yes,churches are oppressive by their very nature.
There is 2 classes of people that go to church.
Leaders and followers.

Maybe you would enjoy minority status in Norway,maybe not.

And it is not greed in the USA that is the problem.
It is the politicians assisting the greedy that is the problem.
Do you think Norway has no greed involved?
Religion is a powerful thing.
If you could only go back and ask king george.

Heck,king obama has been acting like USA is a constitutional monarchy and look at the 14 trillion debt he created.

In Norway, 82.9 percent of the population are members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church (they are automatically registered at birth and few bother to be unregistered). However, only approximately 10 percent regularly attend church services and identify themselves as being personally Christian.
A 2006 survey found: 29 percent believe in a god or deity; 23 percent believe in a higher power without being certain of what; 26 percent don't believe in God or higher powers; 22 percent have doubts.
Depending on the definition of atheism, Norway thus has between 26 percent and 71 percent atheists. The Norwegian Humanist Association is the world's largest humanist association per capita.
And what has secularism done to Norway? The Global Peace Index rates Norway the most peaceful country in the world. The Human Development Index, a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education and standard of living, has ranked Norway No. 1 every year for the last five years.
Norway has the second highest GDP per capita in the world, an unemployment rate below 2 percent, and average hourly wages among the world's highest.
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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While I agree with you in general, in the intrest f accuracy, Norwegians get 5 weeks or more of employer-paid vacations, and no government paid cars. Poverty depends on your definition of poverty, there is always someone with less money than others.

But yes there are year-long maternity leaves, and a much greater level of personal freedom for the average citizen than in the USA.
They actually do get a new car, IF they have problems with the public transportation. yes, Norwegians have much more personal freedom than Americans do, and they are so brainwashed, they believe America is even more so. So sad what we could have become.
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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They actually do get a new car, IF they have problems with the public transportation. yes, Norwegians have much more personal freedom than Americans do, and they are so brainwashed, they believe America is even more so. So sad what we could have become.
One CAN get a new car if one is too ill to use public transport. It is not automatic. Back when I was working in health care in Norway we were involved in getting customized cars built for a couple of people. It happens but not automatically. You have to show that it would be a significant benefit and have a firm diagnosis.
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:28 PM
 
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One CAN get a new car if one is too ill to use public transport. It is not automatic. Back when I was working in health care in Norway we were involved in getting customized cars built for a couple of people. It happens but not automatically. You have to show that it would be a significant benefit and have a firm diagnosis.
We have nothing even close to that here, and yes, it is still conditional in these cases, but there are even other ways now, they will give you a car.
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