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So let teh governamnt offer heathcare but do not take the payments form anyone elses pocket. That is what is happening now and those with private insurance are paying the bill by higher cost when people don;'t pay.What is proposed now is to shift thew burden to a minority of taxpayers ;not to sahre the burden for those who can not pay. The unions for example got the taxing of thier comapny payments to heathcare kiled as Taxable income.meani gthey do not want to pay nayhting towards others no matter the rethoric. Everybody wants to have evryhting paid by the rich and they pay nothing and continue buying those cellphones;cars;video games ;eating out like never seen in history etc.
The problem continues to be that we are paying for insurance, not health care.
Debate all the reasoning around it any which way you want, it still comes back down to that most basic concept.
Anyone who believes health care is a human right should be worrying about health care in nations that have little or none before trying to force radical change on Americans, who even at their poorest, have plentiful options compared to half the world. So... become a doctor, go to Africa or inland China or India, and volunteer your services there, if you really believe that strongly in universal health care. Put your life where your mouth is.
Doctors do believe health care is a human right. Doctors without Borders provide aid in nearly 60 countries. They volunteer and treat people whose survival is threatened by violence and neglect during catastrophe - primarily due to armed conflict, epidemics, malnutrition, after natural disasters, or because of Exclusion from Health Care.
Someone posted earlier if there were no doctors would health care still be a right? I think you can look at any place Doctors without Borders volunteer and you will find your answer:
Debate all the reasoning around it any which way you want, it still comes back down to that most basic concept.
Anyone who believes health care is a human right should be worrying about health care in nations that have little or none before trying to force radical change on Americans, who even at their poorest, have plentiful options compared to half the world. So... become a doctor, go to Africa or inland China or India, and volunteer your services there, if you really believe that strongly in universal health care. Put your life where your mouth is.
*GASP* You gotta be kiddin' Reziac! For those who believe in socialized (i.e. government run) health care...or socialized ANYTHING for that matter... to put THEIR lives and money at risk? Perish the thought. Heresy, my friend!
But seriously, *disgusted grimace*, it is always a sorta amusing "thing" to me, that those who advance notions of socialism (or socializing this or that) NEVER do it in their own personal lives.
As you (and several others) have alluded to, if one REALLY wants to do so, then start with their own neighborhood, or even friends. Be willing to give up their paycheck to help their neighbors...costs or consequences be dammed. So that Everybody has that happy Utopia they speak of. But they won't.
Of course not. It would actually cost THEM, in reality, their OWN money. They love to pontificate on what "we" ought to do to help our fellow man. But, when it comes to actually DOING it, they are woefully deficient.
NOTHING is so hypocritical (where it is integration or health care) as a liberal putting their OWN money/time into it. Whatever "it" may be.
Yeah, I know this has been ranting on my part. I can live with it....but for now..I gotta go to a yard sale we are having.
I believe it is a no brainer and it is the right of every American citizen every human but we will not even go there) to have their health and the ability to be treated by doctors etc.
What do you all feel about that?
On the contrary,health is a private individual matter,which should not be invaded by the government.
Everybody has the right ,on his own money,
to harm himself,to knowingly live a hazardous & unhealthy lifestyle,
to be fat,to die prematurely,to refuse medical aid,to commit suicide.
All these done ,ideally,on his own money...
The problem begins when these people become parasites & use other people's taxes...
*GASP* You gotta be kiddin' Reziac! For those who believe in socialized (i.e. government run) health care...or socialized ANYTHING for that matter... to put THEIR lives and money at risk? Perish the thought. Heresy, my friend!
Get a clue. There are many, many people with considerable income -- including some doctors -- who support socialized medicine and who are willing to pay taxes to provide health care for everyone. It's cheaper than the crap system we have.
Get a clue. There are many, many people with considerable income -- including some doctors -- who support socialized medicine and who are willing to pay taxes to provide health care for everyone. It's cheaper than the crap system we have.
Not one thing in that post can be supported. I think it is a record!
*GASP* You gotta be kiddin' Reziac! For those who believe in socialized (i.e. government run) health care...or socialized ANYTHING for that matter... to put THEIR lives and money at risk? Perish the thought. Heresy, my friend!
But seriously, *disgusted grimace*, it is always a sorta amusing "thing" to me, that those who advance notions of socialism (or socializing this or that) NEVER do it in their own personal lives.
As you (and several others) have alluded to, if one REALLY wants to do so, then start with their own neighborhood, or even friends. Be willing to give up their paycheck to help their neighbors...costs or consequences be dammed. So that Everybody has that happy Utopia they speak of. But they won't.
Of course not. It would actually cost THEM, in reality, their OWN money. They love to pontificate on what "we" ought to do to help our fellow man. But, when it comes to actually DOING it, they are woefully deficient.
NOTHING is so hypocritical (where it is integration or health care) as a liberal putting their OWN money/time into it. Whatever "it" may be.
Yeah, I know this has been ranting on my part. I can live with it....but for now..I gotta go to a yard sale we are having.
This is so true. Liberals never want to contribute any of thier own treasure or labor to advance "thier" personal causes. They want OTHERS to pay for thier pet programs to assuage thier own personal anguish over thier prosperity. Ask a liberal to contribute to charity or sell some of their own luxury items to help the poor, and you will get a confused look of shock- "You mean that you want ME to contribute MY money! That is what the government is for!".
Liberals tend to have global "concern" while at the same time practicing local disdain and contempt. It is okay to be a poor neighbor, apparently, if one is socially "active" and expresses genuine heartfelt empty regret for the plight of others. It makes great cocktail conversation, but accomplishes nothing.
They are analgous to an anceint master seargent- prodding the troops forward from the rear with a bayonet to the back.
This is so true. Liberals never want to contribute any of thier own treasure or labor to advance "thier" personal causes. They want OTHERS to pay for thier pet programs to assuage thier own personal anguish over thier prosperity. Ask a liberal to contribute to charity or sell some of their own luxury items to help the poor, and you will get a confused look of shock- "You mean that you want ME to contribute MY money! That is what the government is for!".
Liberals tend to have global "concern" while at the same time practicing local disdain and contempt. It is okay to be a poor neighbor, apparently, if one is socially "active" and expresses genuine heartfelt empty regret for the plight of others. It makes great cocktail conversation, but accomplishes nothing.
They are analgous to an anceint master seargent- prodding the troops forward from the rear with a bayonet to the back.
Are you saying only conservative evangelical Republicans give to charity, volunteer, or help someone in need? Ridiculous.
Oh, and it is spelled their - analogous - ancient - sergeant - just trying to help someone out
Not one thing in that post can be supported. I think it is a record!
You mean as opposed to the support posted for that oft repeated idea that only those who want to take from others are in favor of socialized medicine? You know, just the lazy bums who won't get off their fat asses and work and want handouts from others support it? Your side has been posting unsupported and unsupportable bull**** about who is in favor of what since the topic came up.
I'm not even going to bother supporting the "many, many people" statement. You have to be brain dead to not know that many, many people support it, even if that "many, many" is less than the majority. Hell, there are many, many people on this board who support it.
This is so true. Liberals never want to contribute any of thier own treasure or labor to advance "thier" personal causes. They want OTHERS to pay for thier pet programs to assuage thier own personal anguish over thier prosperity. Ask a liberal to contribute to charity or sell some of their own luxury items to help the poor, and you will get a confused look of shock- "You mean that you want ME to contribute MY money! That is what the government is for!".
You provided me with the link that refutes that, didn't you?
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