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Old 11-12-2009, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by Cunucu Beach View Post
You can always write in the name of someone you do like, can't you?
You and I have voted many times according to what you said earlier this evening so we know those things but too many of the youngers around have never bee properly schooled in what voting is all about and how they can do it.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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You must be a liberal. Freedom of speech is the right of all citizens, even the citizens that do not choose to vote and the citizens that do not vote because they do not trust either party. It's not like the press will give any third party candidate any press.
I think I will be voting for a third party candidate in 2012 for President. It depends on who it is but I don't see the Dems providing anybody but Obama and I don't think I will want to vote for the Republican. Oops, I just said that Sarah will be running a third party candidacy and she is my favorite right now.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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If you don't want to vote because of either candidate, then be more engaged and learn about other candidates running. There has rarely ever been just two parties on the ticket in a presidential election. If people were more politicially involved, maybe it wouldn't come down to just two people all the time.
You are going to be a good partner in the political arena. I think you sound like you know what is going on and no matter how you vote I believe you will be serious about the duty of a citizen to take part.

You know I have only failed to vote for the winner in two Presidential contests since 1956 when I did it first. That year I voted a month early because I was in Italy with the US Army and made the mistake of voting for the Democrat, Stephenson, who turned out to be a dove. I have only voted Democrat two other times since then, Kennedy and Johnson and changed to Republican in 1972 when the Dems nominated an admitted socialist, McGovern. Of course, I failed with Clinton and Obama but always voted for the lesser of the two evils, in my mind.

Watch the campaigns and make up your own mind. Don't pay attention the the lamestream media or any other old poops like me. Vote your own mind and you will never really be wrong.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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An individual vote does not make a difference, statistically, so stop telling yourself you're making a difference, because you're not, you're one individual among millions. There never has been an election decided on a vote.
When that time comes you don't want to be the one that got your person beat by not voting, do you? Those who don't vote have no excuses for what happens to them.
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Old 11-12-2009, 09:21 PM
 
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When that time comes you don't want to be the one that got your person beat by not voting, do you? Those who don't vote have no excuses for what happens to them.
Wishful thinking, the likelihood of that ever happening is almost a big fat ZERO. Let's make it easier, find me an election where the deciding vote was within 500 votes, you can't, so, one individual vote does not make a difference.

Voting is a farce. The candidates given don't make much of difference, and the opinions can be swayed by a conglomerate of 6 media corps. Give me 80% of the media control, and I can elect the leader myself.

The mythical rhetorics regarding voting as an American right is bull****, it is flogged and the populace don't think they are hapless powerless individuals. You can't change government by voting, (unless you manage to get everyone to vote in lockstep, good luck with that) why bother? Is this complacency? No. Complacency in voting is being naive enough to believe your politicians will carry out what they say, because after your ballot is submitted and the final count is done, the winning politician's pre-election words don't matter and he has 4 years in office.

You might say I'm being cynical, but I'm not, I'm simply laying it all out. Unless you can act like a collective and vote accordingly, you cannot create change. People did not die so all of us can vote, people died to preserve nation-state and stability. Say if I didn't vote, should I not complain? Absolutely not, freedom of expression is protected under law, non-voters have the right to be dissidents, because in some ways, they are dissidents by voicing their discontent by not voting.
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:48 PM
 
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Wishful thinking, the likelihood of that ever happening is almost a big fat ZERO. Let's make it easier, find me an election where the deciding vote was within 500 votes, you can't, so, one individual vote does not make a difference.

Voting is a farce. The candidates given don't make much of difference, and the opinions can be swayed by a conglomerate of 6 media corps. Give me 80% of the media control, and I can elect the leader myself.

The mythical rhetorics regarding voting as an American right is bull****, it is flogged and the populace don't think they are hapless powerless individuals. You can't change government by voting, (unless you manage to get everyone to vote in lockstep, good luck with that) why bother? Is this complacency? No. Complacency in voting is being naive enough to believe your politicians will carry out what they say, because after your ballot is submitted and the final count is done, the winning politician's pre-election words don't matter and he has 4 years in office.

You might say I'm being cynical, but I'm not, I'm simply laying it all out. Unless you can act like a collective and vote accordingly, you cannot create change. People did not die so all of us can vote, people died to preserve nation-state and stability. Say if I didn't vote, should I not complain? Absolutely not, freedom of expression is protected under law, non-voters have the right to be dissidents, because in some ways, they are dissidents by voicing their discontent by not voting.
franken election was a couple hundred
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Old 11-13-2009, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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the WORST of the two? I've heard some say the lesser of two evils--but they're both evil, so why would I want to choose either?

I honestly don't see any of the candidates as deserving or qualified for the job, so I won't select any of them. That's ALSO my right--to NOT vote. I can always say afterwards, "I didn't put him in office." Because I don't like the choices being offered. That's my right.
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Old 11-13-2009, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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You must be a conservative. Has nothing to do with freedome of speech. Sorry, I should have known that you won't understand it. It's usually the Republicans who complain the loudest.
I disagree - it is very much about freedom of speech. Whether you voted in the last election or not, you still have the right to complain about our government. As for the 'loudest complainers', I'd say that depends more on what is being complained about - in my time as a voter and as a political watcher, I have seen both 'sides' do some 'bitching and moaning' and out right screaming on several different issues.
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Old 11-13-2009, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Since these people voted, you need to vote, if you are informed, to counterbalance them:


YouTube - How Obama Got Elected... Interviews With Obama Voters
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Old 11-13-2009, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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An individual vote does not make a difference, statistically, so stop telling yourself you're making a difference, because you're not, you're one individual among millions. There never has been an election decided on a vote.
Well there actually was an election where the winner was "appointed" by the Supreme Court, when they ruled, partisanly, that votes need not be counted. That experience nearly shut me off from the process. But I thought better of doing that. I still wish that those votes were counted, we would have thousands of young men and women able to make that choice now.
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