Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-12-2009, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,481,831 times
Reputation: 27720

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by jcarlilesiu View Post

Look, the islamic religion makes it pretty clear in their holy book that they are expected to push their beliefs across the world using every available means... even death.

An increase in these radical muslims, proclaiming to do what they did for religious reasons, gets the focus on the religion.
Problem is the radicals take that literally and have plenty of Islamic clerics that back them up.

As far as Christian extremists..have you ever heard the Pope or Bishop or even Pastor back them up and praise them for what they did ?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-12-2009, 06:00 PM
 
Location: OB
2,404 posts, read 3,948,403 times
Reputation: 879
Default "Wherever You Find Kafir, Kill Them"

Quote:
Originally Posted by msina View Post
I don't buy it,.... show me a quote from the Koran that promotes this.

Taubah 9:5
"when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush" .

SHAKIR 005.051 - 52

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ أَوْلِيَاءَ ۘ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضٍ ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

SHAKIR 009.029 - 30
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax (jizyah) in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Sura 4:74:
“Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of Allah, - whether he is slain or gets victory - soon shall We give him a reward of great value.”

Sura 9:123:
“Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him.”

Hadith vol. 9:50:
Mohammed said: “No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir (infidel).”

Hadith vol. 9:57:
Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.”
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2009, 06:08 PM
 
Location: OB
2,404 posts, read 3,948,403 times
Reputation: 879
Default One Last Thing

Quote:
Originally Posted by msina View Post
If you read your Old Testament you'll find many instances in which it was directed to kill every living thing in order to take control of an area
Christians identify with and celebrate the New Testament and the words of Jesus and his Apostles. Not the Old Testament.

Quote:
Originally Posted by happytexan
As far as Christian extremists...
Reverend Wright comes to mind...

Last edited by mossomo; 11-12-2009 at 06:23 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2009, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,481,831 times
Reputation: 27720
Quote:
Originally Posted by mossomo View Post
Reverend Wright comes to mind, Obama's ex-pastor for a number of years.
And did he actually promote killing in the name of Religion ?
Did he praise any of the Christian extremists that did kill innocent people ?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2009, 06:14 PM
 
19,226 posts, read 15,321,408 times
Reputation: 2337
Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis1979 View Post
I've seen lots of Christian shows praising the guy who bombed abortion clinics. Pat Robertson was very vocal in his support for killing abortion doctors.

Of course, he isn't wearing a turbin.

And as far as the Qur'an, have you ever read the bible? Its a very bloody book, one in which you are instructed to kill any number of people who do certain acts.
Yes but . . As far as I know, neither the Bible nor the Koran makes any mention of crazy people.

Course, if everyone is crazy, how could anyone be crazy?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2009, 06:22 PM
 
2,229 posts, read 1,686,716 times
Reputation: 623
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newarkid View Post
Why does any of what you mention mean that an entire religion should be deamonized? So when the next Christian nut kills somebody while yelling praise Jesus, I expect you to deamonize all Christianity.

I've heard of plenty Christian nuts saying "God told me to"..
That is true, I have heard quite a few nuts say that God told them to do it. Valid point.

I am not saying that the entire islaimc religion should be suspect, I am simply saying that when things happen over and over and over and are linked back to religion, anybody that says "why did this happen", yet can't see that MAYBE its the religion is playing politics.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2009, 06:23 PM
 
Location: OB
2,404 posts, read 3,948,403 times
Reputation: 879
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Did he praise any of the Christian extremists that did kill innocent people ?
Not that I know of. But he did brainwash people through rhetorical sermons blaming Whitey for all his "flock's" and world's problems.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2009, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
11,449 posts, read 14,466,505 times
Reputation: 4777
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newarkid View Post
Why do people attack the entire muslim religion when one muslim wackaloon goes crazy?.
It's a great fear/hate monger twofer the right are unable to pass up.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2009, 06:32 PM
 
2,229 posts, read 1,686,716 times
Reputation: 623
Quote:
Originally Posted by msina View Post
I don't buy it,.... show me a quote from the Koran that promotes this.
Evangalism perhaps, that is common in Christianity as well but, the Koran does not promote violence. If you read your Old Testament you'll find many instances in which it was directed to kill every living thing in order to take control of an area (David, Gidean, Amalek). The Koran and the Bible have a lot of their history common.
  1. "Therefore We will most certainly make those who disbelieve taste a severe punishment, and We will most certainly reward them for the evil deeds they used to do." (41.27)
  2. "Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward." (4.74)
  3. "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." (9.29)
  4. "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (5.51)
  5. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do." (8.39)
  6. "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates." (47.4)
  7. "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil)." (9.123)
  8. "They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper." (4.89)
  9. "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" (5.33)
  10. "O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand." (8.65)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2009, 06:38 PM
 
3,709 posts, read 4,628,200 times
Reputation: 1671
Quote:
Originally Posted by SLCPUNK View Post
It's a great fear/hate monger twofer the right are unable to pass up.
Fear-mongering by quoting their own holy book, the Koran?

Liberals contort themselves so badly in these situations, they find their lips smacking their own buttocks. Ridiculously, deleteriously PC.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:04 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top