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Levi is a hot piece of a$$, who should just remain without clothing, thank you!
And Sarah Palin and Michelle Obama, GORGEOUS WOMEN with hot bodies. ALL women in the 40's should be ashamed of themselves if they are not as fit and trim as these two. Divorce rates would probably be a lot lower if more women looked like them. Get on the treadmill fatties.
Speaking as someone who is a woman, I am sick and tired of being blamed for everything (as the link I provided you). Women were being blamed for "obesity" and "ruining sacredness of marriage". I am sick and tired of women getting paid less than men and I am sick and tired of hearing that women were better off as being baby producers. I am sick and tired of being looked down upon because I want my freedom and career over children. And then there are men who somehow think they should get to vote on abortion rights and control MY body. Can you imagine what men would do if women said that they should all get a vasectomy. It would be "SHE has NO RIGHT to tell me what to do."
My neighbors husband died. She has a little girl with him. She moved into a beautiful home and her and her daughter live there. She was sad for a while (of course) about her husbands death but now lives happily in a BEAUTIFUL home. Do you have any idea what the neighbors say about her? Her dead husbands family asks how come she is happy and how she can afford a nice home. Imagine if she was man. No one would be saying anything. They'd be praising him for taking care of the daughter without a mother.
Men have it way better than women. WAY better. They can sleep with whoever that want and it is ok. Boys will be boys but women are whores if they do that. They get paid more and are taken more seriously. They are considered the leaders of the family, etc etc.
So if Oprah makes ONE remark it is not the end of the world for the men. You all still have it much better than women ever will. But at the same time, my point was that there are some women who are sexist and some men too. It does not make it right.
I personally would pay a man and a woman the same salary if they both did the same work. I do not care who a woman sleeps with. If a man can do it, so can a woman. Don't take what Oprah says to heart.
And I'm sick and tired of many women blaming every single problem or bump in the road they encounter on a man or men in general. I'm sick and tired of women saying men are "sexist, chauvinsit, predatory, misogynist, stalkerish, pig, brute, hulk, patriarchical, genital driven....or whatever other deregotory term.... as if it's perfectly acceptable but getting mortally offended when a not so nice term is used about them.
Your sick of men thinking they should have a vote on abortion? Well, last I checked this country was a democracy.
Men have it way better? Because they can sleep with more people?!? Have you not paid attention to divorce courts..... male infidelity is severely punished..... Letterman was demonized, Sanford was demonized, Spitzer was ousted from office...those are just some of the more recent examples....
They get paid more? It's selection of career fields. That pay gap stat is bogus for working the same job....but I won't get into an argument with you over that. You'll probably discount my examples, and I'll probably discount yours so it would not prove much of anything.....opinions are pretty firm on this....
Men do not have it much better than women do. Ok, maybe men can choose their partners a little more freely than women can...but have you stopped to think of the sheer amount of choices women have that men don't? Clothes, activities, jobs, whether to work at all or stay at home, lifestyle....women can do almost anything and be socially acceptable....men are confined to a narrow sphere of what is and is not acceptable for them to do.
But most of all, I am sick of some women treating men the exact same way they complained about how men treated women....as second class citizens, dismissing their contributions as unimportant, limiting their choices and confining them to a narrow sphere of what they can and cannot do.
And I'm sick and tired of many women blaming every single problem or bump in the road they encounter on a man or men in general. I'm sick and tired of women saying men are "sexist, chauvinsit, predatory, misogynist, stalkerish, pig, brute, hulk, patriarchical, genital driven....or whatever other deregotory term.... as if it's perfectly acceptable but getting mortally offended when a not so nice term is used about them.
And men look at women like sex objects and called them "*******".
That is nice. Where did I blame men for these issues and when did I call men any of those names?
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Your sick of men thinking they should have a vote on abortion? Well, last I checked this country was a democracy.
Personally I think a "man" who is "prolife" is a joke. You have no right to vote on what will go on with my body. And it is not a Democracy. It is a Republic. Unless women can vote on stopping men from having control over their bodies, "prolife" men are jokes.
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Men have it way better? Because they can sleep with more people?!? Have you not paid attention to divorce courts..... male infidelity is severely punished..... Letterman was demonized, Sanford was demonized, Spitzer was ousted from office...those are just some of the more recent examples....
Yeah, only popular males get the crap. Have you taken a trip through reality?
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They get paid more? It's selection of career fields. That pay gap stat is bogus for working the same job....but I won't get into an argument with you over that. You'll probably discount my examples, and I'll probably discount yours so it would not prove much of anything.....opinions are pretty firm on this....
All right. Cool. Let us skip over this.
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Men do not have it much better than women do. Ok, maybe men can choose their partners a little more freely than women can...but have you stopped to think of the sheer amount of choices women have that men don't? Clothes, activities, jobs, whether to work at all or stay at home, lifestyle....women can do almost anything and be socially acceptable....men are confined to a narrow sphere of what is and is not acceptable for them to do.
No, men have it WAY better than females do. No doubt about it. Oh, yay. Women have the choice of clothes. Goody. So do men. Activities. So do men. Jobs. So do men. And men can stay at home too. No big crap. I have seen it myself.
Hahah. Yeah right. Men are confined to what is and not acceptable of them to do. Go ask my neighbor whom you did not comment on.
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Sorry if you're stuck in the 1950s and only the women are capable of taking kids to the doctor, cleaning clothes or home (my mother never cleaned, my father and the housekeeper did), feeding them, washing them (my father also gave my sister's their bottles and did all the diaper changing), shopping for them, etc.
It's very important to attend a child's special events, whether they are sporting events or recitals or debates. To a child, when one parent goes out of their way to come to the event, it shows how much the child means to the parent. When one parent continually favors personal activities over the child's events, it shows a lack of interest. It does matter.
I also said "teaching him how to be a man, teaching her how to deal with men, teaching him algebra, etc." my father taught me how to calculate complex math problems in my head from the time I was a little boy by quizzing me at the baseball games on the batting averages. My father taught me how to drive because my mother would freak me out with her jumpy nature. My father taught me how to shave. My father taught me how to read the stock pages. He taught me about business and gave me many life lessons.
And what about the "wait till your father gets home" people? Without the father, there is no discipline and therefore the kid has no structure...
If the man is doing nothing to raise the kids in your family, your husband/father is a deadbeat. Any real dad does a ton to help raise their child.
And men look at women like sex objects and called them "*******".
That is nice. Where did I blame men for these issues and when did I call men any of those names?
Personally I think a "man" who is "prolife" is a joke. You have no right to vote on what will go on with my body. And it is not a Democracy. It is a Republic. Unless women can vote on stopping men from having control over their bodies, "prolife" men are jokes.
Yeah, only popular males get the crap. Have you taken a trip through reality?
All right. Cool. Let us skip over this.
No, men have it WAY better than females do. No doubt about it. Oh, yay. Women have the choice of clothes. Goody. So do men. Activities. So do men. Jobs. So do men. And men can stay at home too. No big crap. I have seen it myself.
Hahah. Yeah right. Men are confined to what is and not acceptable of them to do. Go ask my neighbor whom you did not comment on.
I'll address the line in bold first. I guarantee a man does NOT have the same freedom of choice as women do, especially regarding attire. Head on over to the relationship forum on this site (it seems to be where most of the gender threads are) there have been threads about crossdressing and men taking on female norms. Almost universal condemnation for any man that wears any female clothing or takes on any female norm, and that condemnation is coming from people of both genders....so don't try the "patriarchical society" and "feminine norms not valued by men" reasoning I've heard from feminists before.....women are just as opposed to men taking on female norms as other men are. There was recently a college in Atlanta that suspended/expelled some gay male students for wearing skirts. Now.....reverese that an can you imagine being kicked out of college for wearing pants????
There was also a thread about househusbands, and again there was strong condemnation of that by both men and women. Quite a few women there called the men who did that "lazy bums" and "deadbeats".....
I stand by my point of male infidelity being harshly punished. The popular figures are the ones you hear about yes, but it is punished severely in court after court across the country. It is one of the reasons (along with abuse and addiction) that can be brought up to ensure a greater portion of assets in a divorce for the other half and can be used for sole custody/no visitation. Maybe teenagers and young men that get around don't have the same stigma that young women do, but once marriage comes around male infidelity is treated just as, if not more harshly than female infidelity is. And legal consequences hurt a whole lot more than a couple of sideways glances and rude names that young women who have multiple partners might have to suffer.
I wasn't suggesting you blamed men. I was simply copying your paragraph and substiuting men for women and changing some phrases to prove that cultural sexism goes both ways. I was saying certain women like blaming a man or men in general for every little thing that goes wrong. Didn't get promoted? Must be the good ole boys club..... Didn't get hired? It must be gender discrimination..... Not saying all or most women do that, but there are a lot that do.
Hmmm.... you seem to be missing the point with the voting. Yes abortion does not affect men directly. But the main issue I have with your reasoning:
1. If you take the vote away from men on abortion because it doesn't affect them directly....that sets a dangerous precedent of taking away the vote or opinion of other groups for issues that don't affect them directly. Ex: Senior citizens shouldn't get a vote on education measures, because they don't have kids in school. Or Non-veterans shouldn't have any say over the VA because it doesn't affect them directly. That can lead to a society where only "experts" vote on issues...aka...world society before the foundation of America.
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2. Abortion affects men indirectly. Just as the above examples affect those groups indirectly.
3. We do have a bunch of laws all ready about what you can and cannot do with your own body. You cannot drink or smoke under a certain age, you cannot consume drugs, you cannot walk around naked in public (or in private if a snoopy neighbor is trespassing and looking through your window...old thread on here ), you cannot have certain medical procedures...etc etc...
And as to the sex objects, yes some men do view women that way. Just as some women view men as ATM machines and "sugar daddy" or whatever the term is now. Not all men view women as sex objects, not all women view men as ATM machines.
Oh and as for the pay gap....the reason I don't debate that is the methodology is seriosuly flawed and highly variable as are the results. Depending who you believe women are either making 40-50% of what men make or women make 120% of what men do if certain variables are accounted for. Modify the methodology and variables a bit and the results come out what the researcher wants to prove their agenda.
Voting on the legality of the procedure is one thing. Overriding a woman's decision is another. Which one are you referring to?
She kept referring to pro life so I think she was referring to the legality of the procedure and the issue in American politics.
As current law is there is no legal way for a male to override a woman's decision, so I don't think there is anything to complain about there.
Pretty sure it was legality of the procedure.
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), you cannot have certain medical procedures...etc etc...
