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Old 11-18-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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No. That was a sexist comment. Women in America are more influenced by Oprah than anyone else (sadly), so why should it be okay for her to say stuff like this when Jon Miller (the great baseball announcer) would probably get fired if he said "men do all the real work in raising kids"...
Why do you say that women in America are more influenced by Oprah than in anything else? Do you think that most of us are on the couch at 4 PM stuffing down bonbons and hanging on Oprah's every word?
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Old 11-18-2009, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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"Men can only do one thing at a time but women are so much better because they can do a bunch"...like their nails while they talk on the phone and curl their hair?
Why counter with such a derogatory stereotypical statement then?

I think it is great that you spend such a lot of time volunteering in youth sports, investing time in our children is time well spent. I don't think you'd have to be a genius to realize that the best case scenario is 2 parents actively involved in the day-to-day lives of their children, and that is what my husband and I stive for. What I have learned from being a parent is that I do not have all the answers, and more importantly that everyone parents differently. I used to be a lot more judgemental of other parents, now I realize more and more that it is very hard work, and we all do the best we can. Yes, there are some losers, but most people just want what they feel is best for their children.
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Old 11-18-2009, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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If you're talking about the traditional stay-at-home mom family, not only does the man have to work a real job (raising a kid is not a job, and it's not difficult...EVERYONE can do it, that's why there are 6,000,000,000+ people in the world), but he has to take care of many things at the house, including the bills, discipline, fix-it things, strength-related things, helping the kids with homework, etc.

Again, you show the sexism I am talking about.
"Men can only do one thing at a time but women are so much better because they can do a bunch"...like their nails while they talk on the phone and curl their hair?
I don't think sexism towards men is any more acceptable than sexism towards women, but I suggest to you that writing things such as the parts of your post bolded above may be influencing some of the "anti-men" responses you are getting. Anyone who thinks raising children is not a job and is not difficult (whether they work outside of the home or not) either doesn't have kids or is kidding themselves. No, it's not hard work to bring a child into the world, but it is hard work to be a good parent. And different families have different distribution of tasks, who are you to judge?

Perhaps a little less stereotyping is in order here.......

EDIT: BTW, most of the intelligent women I know have NO use for Oprah.

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Old 11-18-2009, 10:48 AM
 
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Sorry if you're stuck in the 1950s and only the women are capable of taking kids to the doctor, cleaning clothes or home (my mother never cleaned, my father and the housekeeper did), feeding them, washing them (my father also gave my sister's their bottles and did all the diaper changing), shopping for them, etc.

It's very important to attend a child's special events, whether they are sporting events or recitals or debates. To a child, when one parent goes out of their way to come to the event, it shows how much the child means to the parent. When one parent continually favors personal activities over the child's events, it shows a lack of interest. It does matter.

I also said "teaching him how to be a man, teaching her how to deal with men, teaching him algebra, etc." my father taught me how to calculate complex math problems in my head from the time I was a little boy by quizzing me at the baseball games on the batting averages. My father taught me how to drive because my mother would freak me out with her jumpy nature. My father taught me how to shave. My father taught me how to read the stock pages. He taught me about business and gave me many life lessons.

And what about the "wait till your father gets home" people? Without the father, there is no discipline and therefore the kid has no structure...

If the man is doing nothing to raise the kids in your family, your husband/father is a deadbeat. Any real dad does a ton to help raise their child.
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Plenty of people have a "cleaning lady" in California. It's like $10 for someone to come clean your house once a week for 2 hours. All you have to do is drive to any hardware store and offer someone a $10 or a $20 (depending on the mess) and they'll come over and clean everything. """


Pretty lousy...taking advantage of someone ..(someone you don't know!) to come in and do something daddy thinks he's too good to do for a lousy $5.00 an hour! Great example to set for kids...NOT!

Yeah, that's royalty.

And again, I am basing this more on my work as a coach (I've coached 30+ teams in football, basketball and baseball) and the interactions with parents and children. I deal with a lot of families and the ones who are the most well adjusted are the ones with two parents (gay or straight, I've had kids who were in traditional and non-traditional family units, including two lesbian mothers and two gay fathers) who BOTH show interest in the child and who both are involved in their life.

Plus, are you saying that your father didn't do anything to raise you? Was he a deadbeat?
I was referring to your post (the first one above)....your comments about what you see as a coach have nothing to do with anything I said.


The 'royalty" remark was in reference to your assumption that YOUR family is the ONLY family scenario in the world.


I never said anything about my father as I'm not stupid enough to judge everyone by one example...and I never give credibility to anyone who gets so personal and uses their family as examples.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:02 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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No. That was a sexist comment. Women in America are more influenced by Oprah than anyone else (sadly), so why should it be okay for her to say stuff like this when Jon Miller (the great baseball announcer) would probably get fired if he said "men do all the real work in raising kids"...
Not all women watch Oprah. It was over 10 years ago when I last watched her show. She may be somewhat influential for SOME women but not THAT influential.
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:11 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Yes, and when a man tells you to be barefoot and pregnant, he's doing the same thing you're doing to him! And it angers women when that happens.
Which means those women need to subscribe to the Colddiamond solution.

....have horribly smelly feet and tell him you've got crabs to solve the sex problem.

No sex + ugly funky feet= no baby= no barefoot and pregnant.
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Old 11-19-2009, 12:29 PM
 
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Going to a little league game is a fun activity. Working 8 Hours, commuting for two, washing clothes for a family of 5, cooking dinner and helping with homework on a daily basis are a little less on the fun side oh and forgot to add all while keeping up with your figure and good looks.
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Old 11-19-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Going to a little league game is a fun activity. Working 8 Hours, commuting for two, washing clothes for a family of 5, cooking dinner and helping with homework on a daily basis are a little less on the fun side oh and forgot to add all while keeping up with your figure and good looks.
That reminded me of this joke:

A man came home from work and found his three children outside, still in their pajamas, playing in the mud, with empty food boxes and wrappers strewn all around the front yard.The door of his wife's car was open, as was the front door to the house and there was no sign of the dog.
Proceeding into the entry, he found an even bigger mess. A lamp had been knocked over, and the throw rug was wadded against one wall. In the front room the TV was loudly blaring a cartoon channel, and the family room was strewn with toys and various items of clothing. In the kitchen, dishes filled the sink, breakfast food was spilled on the counter, the fridge door was open wide, dog food was spilled on the floor, a broken glass lay under the table, and a small pile of sand was spread by the back door.

He quickly headed up the stairs, stepping over toys and more piles of clothes, looking for his wife. He was worried she might be ill, or that something serious had happened. He was met with a small trickle of water as it made its way out the bathroom door. As he peered inside he found wet towels, scummy soap and more toys strewn over the floor. Miles of toilet paper lay in a heap and toothpaste had been smeared over the mirror and walls.

As he rushed to the bedroom, he found his wife still curled up in the bed in her pajamas, reading a novel. She looked up at him, smiled, and asked how his day went. He looked at her bewildered and asked, 'What happened here today?' She again smiled and answered, 'You know every day when you come home from work and you ask me what in the world I do all day?' 'Yes,' was his incredulous reply. She answered, 'Well, today I didn't do it.'
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:04 PM
 
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No. That was a sexist comment. Women in America are more influenced by Oprah than anyone else (sadly), so why should it be okay for her to say stuff like this when Jon Miller (the great baseball announcer) would probably get fired if he said "men do all the real work in raising kids"...
Discussing a comment made by Oprah (or anyone else) is one thing. Concluding that such a comment indicates it's okay for women to be sexist is an irrational jump in logic.
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:37 PM
 
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That reminded me of this joke:

A man came home from work and found his three children outside, still in their pajamas, playing in the mud, with empty food boxes and wrappers strewn all around the front yard.The door of his wife's car was open, as was the front door to the house and there was no sign of the dog.
Proceeding into the entry, he found an even bigger mess. A lamp had been knocked over, and the throw rug was wadded against one wall. In the front room the TV was loudly blaring a cartoon channel, and the family room was strewn with toys and various items of clothing. In the kitchen, dishes filled the sink, breakfast food was spilled on the counter, the fridge door was open wide, dog food was spilled on the floor, a broken glass lay under the table, and a small pile of sand was spread by the back door.

He quickly headed up the stairs, stepping over toys and more piles of clothes, looking for his wife. He was worried she might be ill, or that something serious had happened. He was met with a small trickle of water as it made its way out the bathroom door. As he peered inside he found wet towels, scummy soap and more toys strewn over the floor. Miles of toilet paper lay in a heap and toothpaste had been smeared over the mirror and walls.

As he rushed to the bedroom, he found his wife still curled up in the bed in her pajamas, reading a novel. She looked up at him, smiled, and asked how his day went. He looked at her bewildered and asked, 'What happened here today?' She again smiled and answered, 'You know every day when you come home from work and you ask me what in the world I do all day?' 'Yes,' was his incredulous reply. She answered, 'Well, today I didn't do it.'
Hilarious ....and TRUE!!!! Thank you!
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