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I prefer respect, courtesy and consideration for everyone not simply based on one's gender.
I do,too but obviously SOME feel that simply being female should earn you MORE respect or special consideration....
and are far too weak(Helpless, incompetant?) to open a door by themselves. What silly games they like to play.
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The old "she can't carry someone out of a burning building" scenario.
Did it EVER occur to you that some women CAN be strong? No, it didn't. Did it ever occur to you that some MEN are not very strong? No, it didn't. So women should be excluded from an occupation that they MAY or MAY not be able to do because they MIGHT not be able to do it ? But men should be allowed to have a job they MAY or MAY NOT be able to do???
If a woman has the physical strength and ability to perform the job, then she has every right to apply. I hate the notion that the physical abilities tests for certain occupations get watered down just to fill some affirmative action quotas for women. If women want to be seen as equals, then they need to do the same job without any modifications given because they lack physical strength. Vice versa for men entering professions that are dominated by women ... They need to fulfill the same job standards as women do.
Many of us who voted against it did clarify. We fully support equality but the current brand of feminism is "anti-male, anti-child, anti-marriage, etc." This is why I voted against feminism. No, I am not a neanderthal.
Seriously I thought we had moved beyong this point of the discussion. Explain the "current brand of feminism", who exactly are you referring to? Are there current feminist leaders or organizations that you are referring to? People keep bringing this up without clarification, so I am at a loss. I consider myself a feminist, and I am a happily married stay-at-home mom, does that mean I am not eligible in the "current feminist" club?. A feminist is any woman or man who thinks that people should be treated equally, it's really that simple.
Seriously I thought we had moved beyong this point of the discussion. Explain the "current brand of feminism", who exactly are you referring to? Are there current feminist leaders or organizations that you are referring to? People keep bringing this up without clarification, so I am at a loss. I consider myself a feminist, and I am a happily married stay-at-home mom, does that mean I am not eligible in the "current feminist" club?. A feminist is any woman or man who thinks that people should be treated equally, it's really that simple.
and that is why i like your posts. more reps comin. happy sunday thank you god for good women.
Seriously I thought we had moved beyong this point of the discussion. Explain the "current brand of feminism", who exactly are you referring to? Are there current feminist leaders or organizations that you are referring to? People keep bringing this up without clarification, so I am at a loss. I consider myself a feminist, and I am a happily married stay-at-home mom, does that mean I am not eligible in the "current feminist" club?. A feminist is any woman or man who thinks that people should be treated equally, it's really that simple.
"""A feminist is any woman or man who thinks that people should be treated equally, it's really that simple"""
Yes, that's it.
However, that scares and intimidates some people...it's easier to have strict rules and guidelines for the sexes, no matter how detrimental, because it beats the heck out of THINKING!
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Well, if you're ever in a burning building , (and as a big strong man you can't get yourself out) tell the female firefighter that shows up to rescue you, "No, thanks".
The point he was trying to make is that women should be held to the same physical standards and pass the same tests that men do for firefighters. If a test is watered down, then it isn't equal.
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But you can't discount science in this matter. Peak physical fitness in a woman will result in different physiological parameters than peak physical fitness in a man, it just is that way. Standardizing parameters is going to result in women being ineligible, or men being unfit. I wouldn't have said it affects their capabilities to have different parameters. Whether women are physically able to perform as required by the job is a different matter, and has to be determined case by case, don't you think?
If a woman can't perform the physical requirements of carrying people out of a burning building, then she should not be a firefighter then! This is a job that requires quick action in life-threatening situations so if a woman (or man for that matter) cannot meet the standards, they should not be hired!
If a woman can't perform the physical requirements of carrying people out of a burning building, then she should not be a firefighter then! This is a job that requires quick action in life-threatening situations so if a woman (or man for that matter) cannot meet the standards, they should not be hired!
That is what I said in my post. Whether women are physically able to perform as required by the job is a different matter, and has to be determined case by case, don't you think?
The previous point I was making was in reference to cardio parameters set for evaluating fitness, not strength. There are quantifiable physiological differences between men and women, and these determine physiological parameters at peak fitness, influenced largely by differences in heart size, and lung capacity.
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I do,too but obviously SOME feel that simply being female should earn you MORE respect or special consideration....
and are far too weak(Helpless, incompetant?) to open a door by themselves. What silly games they like to play.
I can open a door for myself and have opened doors for both men and women out of respect. As a lady, I do enjoy chivalry and having a gentleman treat me like a lady. Unfortunately, the militant feminist movement of the past few decades have vilified this behavior in men so they are avoid chivalry to avoid offending ladies. It's sad.
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Seriously I thought we had moved beyong this point of the discussion. Explain the "current brand of feminism", who exactly are you referring to? Are there current feminist leaders or organizations that you are referring to? People keep bringing this up without clarification, so I am at a loss. I consider myself a feminist, and I am a happily married stay-at-home mom, does that mean I am not eligible in the "current feminist" club?. A feminist is any woman or man who thinks that people should be treated equally, it's really that simple.
It is the "all men are pigs" and "marriage is drudgery," and "those who have children are breeders" brand of feminism. These are the type of feminist attitudes that turn me off. I am all for equality and if that is the definition that the OP was referring to in the poll, then it's too late to change my answer.
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happy sunday thank you god for good women.
Well, if you're ever in a burning building , (and as a big strong man you can't get yourself out) tell the female firefighter that shows up to rescue you, "No, thanks".
