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Old 11-25-2009, 05:35 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Did I say that? No, I didn't, so don't put words into my mouth. I didn't even know Palin had a computer.
Right. So you knew nothing about the hacking of Palins personal email? Sure. It was all over the news. The liberals were gloating.
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:37 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by cobolt View Post
And your "scientists" happen to be hacks who manipulated data and then lied about even having it in order to avoid complying with the freedom of information act becasue they knew their "data" was shiate and didn't want it subject to peer review, because they'd rather be in on a scam to fleace money from people by propagating their fake crisis. Who is the bigger criminal?
They are "circling the wagons", so to speak. None of them have any credibility left. They are all frauds!
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:43 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by odanny View Post
Like ACORN, this IS nothing more than propaganda to buttress their long standing attack on science.

So-called "hacked" emails are then pieced together to show.........well, who cares really.
The emails were not "pieced together". They are what they are.

W
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Originally Posted by odanny View Post
e had a government under Bush/Cheney who attempted to confuse the public. They edited official government environmental reports on the topic. Its nothing new, its the same old, same old

Report: Bush Official 'Softened' Global Warming Data : NPR
This has nothing to do with Bush/Cheney. Go ahead. Try to change the subject.

This has to do with fraudulent "climate science", a complete hoax to advance an agenda. Bush/Cheny have notihng to do with it.

Nice try.
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:43 PM
 
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Its ok, he wants the code, by all means.

maps12.pro

Quote:
pro maps12,yrstart,doinfill=doinfill
;
; Plots 24 yearly maps of calibrated (PCR-infilled or not) MXD reconstructions
; of growing season temperatures. Uses "corrected" MXD - but shouldn't usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to
; the real temperatures.
;
if n_elements(yrstart) eq 0 then yrstart=1800
if n_elements(doinfill) eq 0 then doinfill=0
if yrstart gt 1937 then message,'Plotting into the decline period!'
;
; Now prepare for plotting
;
loadct,39
multi_plot,nrow=4,ncol=3,layout='large'
if !d.name eq 'X' then begin
window,ysize=800
!p.font=-1
endif else begin
!p.font=0
device,/helvetica,/bold,font_size=11
endelse
def_1color,20,color='palepurple'
def_1color,21,color='lpurple'
def_1color,22,color='deepblue'
def_1color,23,color='mlblue'
def_1color,24,color='vlblue'
def_1color,25,color='vvlgreen'
def_1color,26,color='lsand'
def_1color,27,color='orange'
def_1color,28,color='red'
def_1color,29,color='dred'
;
xspan=0.333
yspan=0.285
yover=0.065
ykey=0.06
;
; Define map parameters
;
map=def_map(/npolar) & map.limit(0)=25 & map.xmargin=[0,0] & map.ymargin=[0,0]
labels=def_labels(/off)
coast=def_coast(/get_device) & coast.thick=[0.5,2.5]
levs=[-100,-2,-1.2,-0.8,-0.4,-0.2,0,0.3,0.6,1,100]
cols=indgen(10)+20
xang=findgen(361)*!dtor
xcir=sin(xang)
ycir=cos(xang)
;
; Get the calibrated data
;
if doinfill eq 0 then begin
restore,'calibmxd5.idlsave'
; Gets: g,mxdyear,mxdnyr,fdcalibu,fdcalibc,mxdfd2,timey,fd seas
endif else begin
restore,'calibmxd5_pcr.idlsave'
; Gets: g,mxdyear,mxdnyr,fdcalibc,timey,fdseas
endelse
;
ist=where(mxdyear eq yrstart)
ist=ist(0)
;
for i = 11 , 0 , -1 do begin
;
iyr=i+ist
fd=reform(fdcalibc(*,*,iyr))
;
ix=i mod 3
iy=3-(i/3)
;
ix=ix*xspan
iy=ykey+iy*(yspan-yover)
!p.position=[ix,iy,ix+xspan,iy+yspan]
;
!p.multi(0)=1
plot,[-1,1],[-1,1],/nodata,xstyle=5,ystyle=5,xmargin=[0,0],ymargin=[0,0]
polyfill,xcir,ycir,color=!p.background
!p.multi(0)=1
inter_boxfd,fd,g.x,g.y,$
coast=coast,map=map,labels=labels,$
levels=levs,c_colors=cols
xyouts,-47,28,string(mxdyear(iyr),format='(I4)')
;
endfor
;
!p.multi(0)=1
!p.position=[0.3,0.015,0.7,ykey-0.015]
scale_horiz,levels=levs,c_colors=cols,noextremes=['Below','Above'],$
title='!Uo!NC wrt 1961-90'
;
end
maps15.pro

Quote:
pro maps15,yrstart,doinfill=doinfill
;
; Plots 24 yearly maps of calibrated (PCR-infilled or not) MXD reconstructions
; of growing season temperatures. Uses "corrected" MXD - but shouldn't usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to
; the real temperatures.
;
if n_elements(yrstart) eq 0 then yrstart=1800
if n_elements(doinfill) eq 0 then doinfill=0
if yrstart gt 1937 then message,'Plotting into the decline period!'
;
; Now prepare for plotting
;
loadct,39
multi_plot,nrow=5,ncol=3,layout='large'
if !d.name eq 'X' then begin
window,ysize=800
!p.font=-1
endif else begin
!p.font=0
device,/helvetica,/bold,font_size=11
endelse
def_1color,20,color='palepurple'
def_1color,21,color='lpurple'
def_1color,22,color='deepblue'
def_1color,23,color='mlblue'
def_1color,24,color='vlblue'
def_1color,25,color='vvlgreen'
def_1color,26,color='lsand'
def_1color,27,color='orange'
def_1color,28,color='red'
def_1color,29,color='dred'
;
xspan=0.333
yspan=0.23
yover=0.05
ykey=0.06
;
; Define map parameters
;
map=def_map(/npolar) & map.limit(0)=25 & map.xmargin=[0,0] & map.ymargin=[0,0]
labels=def_labels(/off)
coast=def_coast(/get_device) & coast.thick=[0.5,2.5]
levs=[-100,-2,-1.2,-0.8,-0.4,-0.2,0,0.3,0.6,1,100]
cols=indgen(10)+20
xang=findgen(361)*!dtor
xcir=sin(xang)
ycir=cos(xang)
;
; Get the calibrated data
;
if doinfill eq 0 then begin
restore,'calibmxd5.idlsave'
; Gets: g,mxdyear,mxdnyr,fdcalibu,fdcalibc,mxdfd2,timey,fd seas
endif else begin
restore,'calibmxd5_pcr.idlsave'
; Gets: g,mxdyear,mxdnyr,fdcalibc,timey,fdseas
endelse
;
ist=where(mxdyear eq yrstart)
ist=ist(0)
;
for i = 14 , 0 , -1 do begin
;
iyr=i+ist
fd=reform(fdcalibc(*,*,iyr))
;
ix=i mod 3
iy=4-(i/3)
;
ix=ix*xspan
iy=ykey+iy*(yspan-yover)
!p.position=[ix,iy,ix+xspan,iy+yspan]
;
!p.multi(0)=1
plot,[-1,1],[-1,1],/nodata,xstyle=5,ystyle=5,xmargin=[0,0],ymargin=[0,0]
polyfill,xcir,ycir,color=!p.background
!p.multi(0)=1
inter_boxfd,fd,g.x,g.y,$
coast=coast,map=map,labels=labels,$
levels=levs,c_colors=cols
xyouts,-47,28,string(mxdyear(iyr),format='(I4)')
;
endfor
;
!p.multi(0)=1
!p.position=[0.3,0.015,0.7,ykey-0.015]
scale_horiz,levels=levs,c_colors=cols,noextremes=['Below','Above'],$
title='!Uo!NC wrt 1961-90'
;
end
maps24.pro

Quote:
pro maps24,yrstart,doinfill=doinfill
;
; Plots 24 yearly maps of calibrated (PCR-infilled or not) MXD reconstructions
; of growing season temperatures. Uses "corrected" MXD - but shouldn't usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to
; the real temperatures.
;
if n_elements(yrstart) eq 0 then yrstart=1800
if n_elements(doinfill) eq 0 then doinfill=0
if yrstart gt 1937 then message,'Plotting into the decline period!'
;
; Now prepare for plotting
;
loadct,39
multi_plot,nrow=6,ncol=4,layout='large'
if !d.name eq 'X' then begin
window,ysize=800
!p.font=-1
endif else begin
!p.font=0
device,/helvetica,/bold,font_size=11
endelse
def_1color,20,color='palepurple'
def_1color,21,color='lpurple'
def_1color,22,color='deepblue'
def_1color,23,color='mlblue'
def_1color,24,color='vlblue'
def_1color,25,color='vvlgreen'
def_1color,26,color='lsand'
def_1color,27,color='orange'
def_1color,28,color='red'
def_1color,29,color='dred'
;
xspan=0.25
yspan=0.19
yover=0.04
ykey=0.06
;
; Define map parameters
;
map=def_map(/npolar) & map.limit(0)=25 & map.xmargin=[0,0] & map.ymargin=[0,0]
labels=def_labels(/off)
coast=def_coast(/get_device) & coast.thick=[0.5,2.5]
levs=[-100,-2,-1.2,-0.8,-0.4,-0.2,0,0.3,0.6,1,100]
cols=indgen(10)+20
xang=findgen(361)*!dtor
xcir=sin(xang)
ycir=cos(xang)
;
; Get the calibrated data
;
if doinfill eq 0 then begin
restore,'calibmxd5.idlsave'
; Gets: g,mxdyear,mxdnyr,fdcalibu,fdcalibc,mxdfd2,timey,fd seas
endif else begin
restore,'calibmxd5_pcr.idlsave'
; Gets: g,mxdyear,mxdnyr,fdcalibc,timey,fdseas
endelse
;
ist=where(mxdyear eq yrstart)
ist=ist(0)
;
for i = 23 , 0 , -1 do begin
;
iyr=i+ist
fd=reform(fdcalibc(*,*,iyr))
;
ix=i mod 4
iy=5-(i/4)
;
ix=ix*xspan
iy=ykey+iy*(yspan-yover)
!p.position=[ix,iy,ix+xspan,iy+yspan]
;
!p.multi(0)=1
plot,[-1,1],[-1,1],/nodata,xstyle=5,ystyle=5,xmargin=[0,0],ymargin=[0,0]
polyfill,xcir,ycir,color=!p.background
!p.multi(0)=1
inter_boxfd,fd,g.x,g.y,$
coast=coast,map=map,labels=labels,$
levels=levs,c_colors=cols
xyouts,-47,28,string(mxdyear(iyr),format='(I4)')
;
endfor
;
!p.multi(0)=1
!p.position=[0.3,0.015,0.7,ykey-0.015]
scale_horiz,levels=levs,c_colors=cols,noextremes=['Below','Above'],$
title='!Uo!NC wrt 1961-90'
;
end
Knock yourself out Mr. Programmer of 20 years!

edit: oh and if you want more specific ones, by all means just ask.
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Quote:
the issue is not Trenberth or scientists talking smack. It is the illegal evasion of legitmate scientific requests for data needed to replicate a scientific study. Without replication, science cannot move forwards. And when you only give data to friends of yours, and not to people who actually might take a critical look at it, you know what you end up with? A “consensus” …
A great quote right there.

Willis vs. The CRU: A History of (FOI) Evasion « The Unbearable Nakedness of CLIMATE CHANGE (http://omniclimate.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/willis-vs-the-cru-a-history-of-foi-evasion/ - broken link)

The story of ONE scientist trying to get the information required by good, clean, honest science.
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: OB
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Comments in software code:

; Plots (1 at a time) yearly maps of calibrated (PCR-infilled or not) MXD
; reconstructions
; of growing season temperatures. Uses “corrected” MXD – but shouldn’t usually
; plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to
; the real temperatures.


You can claim an email you wrote years ago isn’t accurate saying it was “taken out of context”, but a programmer making notes (comments) in the code does so that he/she can document what the code is actually doing at that stage, so that anyone who looks at it later can figure out why this function doesn’t plot past 1960. In this case, it is not allowing all of the temperature data to be plotted. Growing season data (summer months when the new tree rings are formed) past 1960 is thrown out because “these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to the real temperatures”, which implies some post processing routine.

Spin that, spin it to the moon if you want. I’ll believe programmer notes over the word of somebody who stands to gain from suggesting there’s nothing “untowards” about it.
Either the data tells the story of nature or it does not. Data that has been “artificially adjusted to look closer to the real temperatures” is false data, yielding a false result.
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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For the deniers, this is how science should work;

Quote:
The scientific model works like this:

1. A scientist makes claims, and reveals the data and methods he used to come to his conclusions.

2. Other scientists who don’t agree attack the claim by (inter alia) seeing if they can replicate the result, using the first scientist’s data and methods.

3. If the claims cannot be replicated, the claim is adjudged to be false.
True, or False?
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:48 PM
 
Location: OB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Willis vs. The CRU: A History of (FOI) Evasion « The Unbearable Nakedness of CLIMATE CHANGE. The story of ONE scientist trying to get the information required by good, clean, honest science.
Jones tells Mann that if McIntyre requests it under FoI he will delete it rather than hand it over. Says he will hide behind data protection laws.(1107454306)
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:49 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cobolt View Post
And your "scientists" happen to be hacks who manipulated data and then lied about even having it in order to avoid complying with the freedom of information act becasue they knew their "data" was shiate and didn't want it subject to peer review, because they'd rather be in on a scam to fleace money from people by propagating their fake crisis. Who is the bigger criminal?
This is "one group" of sicentists, as the article says. And I'll be generous and assume for the moment that they are guilty. So what? One group? "your scientists"? WTF?

Can you imagine if someone claimed creationism was bunk because of one denomination's unseemly behavior with regard to the issue? So when this happens, should everyone all stop believing in creationism? Would it be fair to then turn on other believers and accuse them thusly with this "your scientists" bunkum?

This is nothing more than a not-so-clever excuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

It is a smear campaign, because people are smearing one group's supposed behavior onto the entire scientific body.
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:50 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomander View Post
Science is just a shiny word that rolls off their tongue, just like "peer review", they have no clue what it means.

When you see those posts, think of Ed's rant here. It really puts their argument into perspective. They don't have an argument, just anger that you do not submit to their calls of authority.

Ed Begley And Stuart Varney Argue “Climategate” On Fox News | TV | Mediaite
Yeah, I saw that on Cavuto yesterday. It was absolutely hilarious! These people are such idiots!

How did we ever get to this state, when idiots are virtually "running the country"? They are destroying America. And they think it's wonderful!

I think we are headed for another civil war. The "liberals" are the enemys of freedom.
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