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Old 12-01-2009, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by IamAlGore View Post
This was the actual plan that was projected.
This scam has brought together many unlikely partners, environmentalists, politicians, corporations, and institutions of science, education, partisan democrats, race hustlers, socialists, communists, fascists and despotic dictators. Its not every day all these unlikely partners will be locking elbows and dancing to the same tune.

The environmentalists were the first to get this scam started. The movement has always sought ways to crush big oil companies and control human behavior by lobbying government. They could use AGW to demonize all fossil fuels, without even worrying about a reliable alternative form of energy; even nuclear is out of the picture, having already been sufficiently demonized back in the 1980s.

Environmentalists have always tried to use science to push their agenda, but they were never successful at attracting multiple parts of society and the private sector businesses, corporations, and even politicians were hesitant to cooperate, or hostile with them.

So the environmentalists and their friends in science needed something new, and man-made global warming seemed to be a winner. It was invisible, intangible, was going to be difficult to disprove in the short run, and there was money and political power to be had for all who joined in on the scam.

Folks like al Gore started the propaganda wheels turning over ten years ago, finding warm receptions in the halls of liberal academia and the teacher’s unions; Gore’s movie was required viewing in public schools. The politicians further politicized the AGW movement by referring to anyone who disagreed as a knuckle dragging, flat earther, global warming (holocaust) denier.

This gave the army of democratic partisans a new weapon to beat their opponents with. When the sexist, racist, bigoted, homophobic, rich, angry white male club was not good enough, they could beat them with the “global warming denier” club.

Politicians saw AGW as a way to get elected to office, simply by saying that if you voted for them, they would save the people from the doom predicted by Gore, and they really did not have to elaborate much on “the how” either. They could also beat their earth-hating opponents with the “denier” club. Politicians saw a way to control manufacturing, energy generation, oil production, delivery, and even the way energy and oil was consumed. There was very little in people’s lives that politicians could not control once they controlled energy consumption, generation and delivery.

Once politicians were involved it opened wide the floodgates of taxpayer funded subsidies, for any and all who joined in on the AGW gravy train. The corporate greed heads, institutions related to science research, and all sectors for education, saw an opportunity in green energy to gobble up free taxpayer funded subsidizes from government.

Looking for ways to increase the number of people on board the AGW wagon, they found a way to bring in the social justice crowd, by promising taxpayer funded green energy projects that would employ minorities from the inner cities. Environmentalists and communists like Van Jones called it “climate justice”, it was a way to spread the wealth around.

Then it was a short leap to promise a global form of climate justice, calling it a “climate debt”, a way of repaying the world suffering because of the global warming caused by all of the Western, and industrialized nations of the world. This climate debt idea was very attractive to the socialists, fascists, despotic dictators and thuggish warlords of the third world nations. They could continue to run oppressive societies, keep their people in a prison state status, and be paid billions in free taxpayer dollars from the industrialized world.

All they need now, is some world bank and a new world currency and a world trade organization to be put in charge of deciding how much and in what form this climate debt would take, and decide what was considered proper trade practices to benefit the third world nations, as they received wealth and technology transfers from the developed nations.

Once this was established, there was no longer going to be the status quo, a single country could not simply consume as much fossil fuel as it wanted, because green house gas (GHG) contributions from one country affected the livelihood of the entire planet. Commerce and financial trade restrictions, and maybe even the threat of military action could be applied to any country that so threatened the world with their unregulated GHG emissions.


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Old 12-01-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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some good news. sorry dont have a link.

But Phil Jones has stepped down pending investagation.

Even better news Gavin Schmit (sp) and Michael Mann from Climate Research have posted their data....


bad news for them, they cant hide the decline any longer! LOL!
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Old 12-01-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
This scam has brought together many unlikely partners, environmentalists, politicians, corporations, and institutions of science, education, partisan democrats, race hustlers, socialists, communists, fascists and despotic dictators. Its not every day all these unlikely partners will be locking elbows and dancing to the same tune.

The environmentalists were the first to get this scam started. The movement has always sought ways to crush big oil companies and control human behavior by lobbying government. They could use AGW to demonize all fossil fuels, without even worrying about a reliable alternative form of energy; even nuclear is out of the picture, having already been sufficiently demonized back in the 1980s.

Environmentalists have always tried to use science to push their agenda, but they were never successful at attracting multiple parts of society and the private sector businesses, corporations, and even politicians were hesitant to cooperate, or hostile with them.

So the environmentalists and their friends in science needed something new, and man-made global warming seemed to be a winner. It was invisible, intangible, was going to be difficult to disprove in the short run, and there was money and political power to be had for all who joined in on the scam.

Folks like al Gore started the propaganda wheels turning over ten years ago, finding warm receptions in the halls of liberal academia and the teacher’s unions; Gore’s movie was required viewing in public schools. The politicians further politicized the AGW movement by referring to anyone who disagreed as a knuckle dragging, flat earther, global warming (holocaust) denier.

This gave the army of democratic partisans a new weapon to beat their opponents with. When the sexist, racist, bigoted, homophobic, rich, angry white male club was not good enough, they could beat them with the “global warming denier†club.

Politicians saw AGW as a way to get elected to office, simply by saying that if you voted for them, they would save the people from the doom predicted by Gore, and they really did not have to elaborate much on “the how†either. They could also beat their earth-hating opponents with the “denier†club. Politicians saw a way to control manufacturing, energy generation, oil production, delivery, and even the way energy and oil was consumed. There was very little in people’s lives that politicians could not control once they controlled energy consumption, generation and delivery.


Once politicians were involved it opened wide the floodgates of taxpayer funded subsidies, for any and all who joined in on the AGW gravy train. The corporate greed heads, institutions related to science research, and all sectors for education, saw an opportunity in green energy to gobble up free taxpayer funded subsidizes from government.

Looking for ways to increase the number of people on board the AGW wagon, they found a way to bring in the social justice crowd, by promising taxpayer funded green energy projects that would employ minorities from the inner cities. Environmentalists and communists like Van Jones called it “climate justiceâ€, it was a way to spread the wealth around.

Then it was a short leap to promise a global form of climate justice, calling it a “climate debtâ€, a way of repaying the world suffering because of the global warming caused by all of the Western, and industrialized nations of the world. This climate debt idea was very attractive to the socialists, fascists, despotic dictators and thuggish warlords of the third world nations. They could continue to run oppressive societies, keep their people in a prison state status, and be paid billions in free taxpayer dollars from the industrialized world.

All they need now, is some world bank and a new world currency and a world trade organization to be put in charge of deciding how much and in what form this climate debt would take, and decide what was considered proper trade practices to benefit the third world nations, as they received wealth and technology transfers from the developed nations.

Once this was established, there was no longer going to be the status quo, a single country could not simply consume as much fossil fuel as it wanted, because green house gas (GHG) contributions from one country affected the livelihood of the entire planet. Commerce and financial trade restrictions, and maybe even the threat of military action could be applied to any country that so threatened the world with their unregulated GHG emissions.

You are so dead on with this. Who do you know? lol
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Old 12-01-2009, 04:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ferd View Post
some good news. sorry dont have a link.

But Phil Jones has stepped down pending investagation.

Even better news Gavin Schmit (sp) and Michael Mann from Climate Research have posted their data....


bad news for them, they cant hide the decline any longer! LOL!
And GREAT news for us!
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Old 12-01-2009, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You are so dead on with this. Who do you know? lol
This is just the way i see this scam, and only just recently, the past two months, did I even hear of the terms climate justice and climate debt. Read that treaty that the UN is trying to get 0bama to sign, its scary as hell.

Framework Convention on Climate Change

BTW, i cleaned up the weird [font] crap that was at the beginning and end of each sentence. of the post you quoted from me.
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Old 12-01-2009, 05:54 PM
 
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This is just the way i see this scam, and only just recently, the past two months, did I even hear of the terms climate justice and climate debt. Read that treaty that the UN is trying to get 0bama to sign, its scary as hell.

Framework Convention on Climate Change

BTW, i cleaned up the weird [font] crap that was at the beginning and end of each sentence. of the post you quoted from me.
I know all about the Copenhagen deal.... It's RAW!
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Old 12-01-2009, 05:55 PM
 
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BTW, i cleaned up the weird [font] crap that was at the beginning and end of each sentence. of the post you quoted from me.
I don't mind reading between the lines...
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I know all about the Copenhagen deal.... It's RAW!
I hope to hell nothing like it is ever even toyed with by any American president, it would be the end of all liberty and freedom. Hell, we would be subsidizing the oppressive regimes of brutal dictators. Well, no wonder dictatorships and slave states never became successful productive nations, the jails are full of political prisoners and despotic dictators rob the resources and suppress the people.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:29 PM
 
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I hope to hell nothing like it is ever even toyed with by any American president, it would be the end of all liberty and freedom. Hell, we would be subsidizing the oppressive regimes of brutal dictators. Well, no wonder dictatorships and slave states never became successful productive nations, the jails are full of political prisoners and despotic dictators rob the resources and suppress the people.
This is the "progressive's" plan. No mistake about it, it is what it is. The question is, will the world let this happen?

BTW, I think it was Harry who let the cat out of the bag.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Global Warming Scandal Makes Scientific Progress More Difficult, Experts Say - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com

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"I read a paper on increasing heat in the ocean and asked the scientist in France for the backup data," Soon says. "She told me she did not distribute data to people who didn't agree with her conclusions."

Soon says he has been victimized by other "ugly" personal attacks from leading scientists in the global warming world when he has simply raised questions, as any scientific colleague would, about the veracity of the data.

"Seeing all of this controversy in the news is no different than dealing with them in person," he said. "There's a lot of personal ugliness."
Yep. Instead of going for transparency and openness, the CRU hacks engaged in petty, vindictive behavior, secrecy and very unethical tactics.
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