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Old 11-21-2009, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Today is the “Whole Ball Of Wax” concerning the Health Care Reform effort. After all the many months of going back and forth with lies, distortions and innuendo from both sides of the isle, everything comes down to the senate vote today. If the Democrats get the 60 votes they need to bring the bill to the floor they will have won the Health care reform battle and the republican party will be a toothless dragon. All these months the right wing has been taunting the Dems with the statement “You got a majority in the house and senate, why can’t you get anything done?” Well “Done” is today.

You see, the ONLY vote that requires 60 votes is today’s vote. Every other vote is a simple majority. No Democrat is going to cut the party off at the knees and not bring the bill to the floor. It would be political suicide. Once the bill is brought to the floor for discussion a series of amendments will be introduced by both parties and be voted on. The dems have the votes to defeat any amendment the repubs propose and likewise, they have the votes to pass any amendment they want. The bill then goes to committee which is stacked democratic. After today the repubs are powerless to stop a democratic health care reform bill from passing and getting signed.

To those who have fought the good fight in support of health care reform, I suggest you chill a bottle of Cordon Rouge and when the 60th vote comes in, pop the cork. The real political battle will be over and all the rest is political process with a foregone conclusion. Cheers!
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:32 AM
 
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Then the supporters of this bill can apologize to there children and grandchildren for forcing the country into a multi trillion dollar plan that will ruin our country.
Good going.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Then the supporters of this bill can apologize to there children and grandchildren for forcing the country into a multi trillion dollar plan that will ruin our country.
Good going.
Sour grapes are hard to swallow.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Today is the “Whole Ball Of Wax” concerning the Health Care Reform effort. After all the many months of going back and forth with lies, distortions and innuendo from both sides of the isle, everything comes down to the senate vote today. If the Democrats get the 60 votes they need to bring the bill to the floor they will have won the Health care reform battle and the republican party will be a toothless dragon. All these months the right wing has been taunting the Dems with the statement “You got a majority in the house and senate, why can’t you get anything done?” Well “Done” is today.

You see, the ONLY vote that requires 60 votes is today’s vote. Every other vote is a simple majority. No Democrat is going to cut the party off at the knees and not bring the bill to the floor. It would be political suicide. Once the bill is brought to the floor for discussion a series of amendments will be introduced by both parties and be voted on. The dems have the votes to defeat any amendment the repubs propose and likewise, they have the votes to pass any amendment they want. The bill then goes to committee which is stacked democratic. After today the repubs are powerless to stop a democratic health care reform bill from passing and getting signed.

To those who have fought the good fight in support of health care reform, I suggest you chill a bottle of Cordon Rouge and when the 60th vote comes in, pop the cork. The real political battle will be over and all the rest is political process with a foregone conclusion. Cheers!
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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Sour grapes are hard to swallow.
Excuse me? Do you not care at all about our future? Does the cost mean nothing? Should we not be making the best choices we can?

What happens in a few years when the cost is in the trillions? Or wait let me guess, you simply don't care do you?
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You see, the ONLY vote that requires 60 votes is today’s vote. Every other vote is a simple majority.
Eh...wrong. For cloture, they need 60 votes.

If Dirty Harry is having this much trouble, JUST TO BRING IT TO THE FLOOR TO START DEBATING, that speaks volumes.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Excuse me? Do you not care at all about our future? Does the cost mean nothing? Should we not be making the best choices we can?

What happens in a few years when the cost is in the trillions? Or wait let me guess, you simply don't care do you?
Of course I care about America's future. That's why I support health care reform now. In fact it should have been done 15 years ago when the Clinton's were running things.

I'm not going to rehash the pros and cons all over again as to why we need it. There are many threads debating the issues of health care reform.

This one post sums everything up quite accurately. You come from the faction that think it will destroy the country. I, on the other hand come from the faction that think it will ultimately save the country. Shows how much an ugly divide there really is in our country.
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Old 11-21-2009, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Here
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Of course I care about America's future. That's why I support health care reform now. In fact it should have been done 15 years ago when the Clinton's were running things.

I'm not going to rehash the pros and cons all over again as to why we need it. There are many threads debating the issues of health care reform.

This one post sums everything up quite accurately. You come from the faction that think it will destroy the country. I, on the other hand come from the faction that think it will ultimately save the country. Shows how much an ugly divide there really is in our country.
Reform? Is that what they are trying to pass this boondoggle off as?
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Old 11-21-2009, 09:02 AM
 
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Today is the “Whole Ball Of Wax” concerning the Health Care Reform effort. After all the many months of going back and forth with lies, distortions and innuendo from both sides of the isle, everything comes down to the senate vote today. If the Democrats get the 60 votes they need to bring the bill to the floor they will have won the Health care reform battle and the republican party will be a toothless dragon. All these months the right wing has been taunting the Dems with the statement “You got a majority in the house and senate, why can’t you get anything done?” Well “Done” is today.

You see, the ONLY vote that requires 60 votes is today’s vote. Every other vote is a simple majority. No Democrat is going to cut the party off at the knees and not bring the bill to the floor. It would be political suicide. Once the bill is brought to the floor for discussion a series of amendments will be introduced by both parties and be voted on. The dems have the votes to defeat any amendment the repubs propose and likewise, they have the votes to pass any amendment they want. The bill then goes to committee which is stacked democratic. After today the repubs are powerless to stop a democratic health care reform bill from passing and getting signed.

To those who have fought the good fight in support of health care reform, I suggest you chill a bottle of Cordon Rouge and when the 60th vote comes in, pop the cork. The real political battle will be over and all the rest is political process with a foregone conclusion. Cheers!
Celebrate all you want.
Either way.....the Dems ARE DONE next year.
Trying to ram something so massive and expensive down the throats of the American public that has voiced such huge opposition to such "reform!" All the opposition is ignored by this loser, Democrat-controlled Congress led by the psycho nutjob, Nancy Pelosi.
If successful in passing this bill.......they are THROUGH!
If not.........they ARE THROUGH!
They committed their own political suicide already, as far as a GROWING number of Americans are concerned!
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Old 11-21-2009, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Excuse me? Do you not care at all about our future? Does the cost mean nothing? Should we not be making the best choices we can?

What happens in a few years when the cost is in the trillions? Or wait let me guess, you simply don't care do you?
Why worry about tomorrow when you can have subsidized healthcare today ?

Of course they all care about tomorrow. But they care too much about today to really worry too much about tomorrow. You see, that will be someone else's problem, not theirs. Let the next President and the next generation of workers worry about it.

For today they rejoice...they will get their subsidized insurance.
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