FOX Caught Lying AGAIN (Huckabee, wages, drugs, poll)

[saganista]

Originally Posted by Cyber Queen

No I am not the confused one you are. You as usual can not answer the question so you get diarrhea of the mouth in am attempt to throw people off. The money WILL come for the tax payers and no matter how you try and put it in a pretty package that is the bottom line. One last time. I will use your terminology to make it easier for you. Where is the "start-up" money coming from?

For the fifth or sixth time, there is an appropriation for the start-up costs in the bill. It puts people into offices that have actual desks and computers and copy machines and phones and all that sort of thing. After that, there is NO MORE SUBSIDY FOR THE PUBLIC OPTION. They must operate as any private sector insurance company would while also paying back the start-up costs to the Treasury.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by meson

FAUX News attempts to mislead once again....

Quick Fact: Fox & Friends Hosts Falsely Suggest OFA Director Compared Palin To A Terrorist

Your own video doesnt say that the OFA Director Compared Palin to a terrorists, they said that the OFA Director called Palins "book tour" dangerous... The "more dangerous than a terrorist" comment was not a comment claimed to have been made by the OFA Director.

I can see why FOX isnt the news source for some liberals, it requires you to actually think and listen.

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by saganista

It's only true if there are transfers to the public option, which there are not except for the necessary startup costs (office space, staff, equipment, etc.). Thereafter, the public option as currently defined must operate exactly as any private sector insurance company does. Its benefits paid and costs incurred must be covered by premiums earned. Of course, there will not be any $25 million a year executives, and no Grand Public Option Towers will come to dot any city skylines, so premiums for the same coverage are likely to be lower with the public option.

Run by the government, who has NEVER run anything that hasn't cost WAY more than originally estimated.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

I see that you don't know what the words, "other than such amounts as are otherwise provided" mean. That is Congressional talk for there will certainly be some or many otherwises. Yes I see the rest of that Exchange crap but it is all crap to be translated at a future date, as needed.

No, it's Congressional talk for while we might at some point want to do something with exchange-based insurance programs as a group, there will be no special appropriations that go only to the public option program at all.

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by saganista

False. No money goes to the public option after start-up costs. It has to be self-supporting, just like any private insurance company.

Good Lord......they're funding the "start up costs" for 5 years before starting the program. How is that self-supporting?

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by jojajn

Oh Captain Happy, I was responding to a question about how the Public Option would be paid for.

Obviously, if it is not paid for by tax payers, it is paid for by a different system. A system similar to Medicare. You see, I must show how the Public Option is paid for, other than taxes, to show that Fox New's claim that it is paid for by taxes, is a lie.

Are you able to follow the logic?

There is no WAY anyone can follow your logic. This different system? Like Medicare - it's PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS.

Liberals are so stupid sometimes.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

its costing us 1 trillion dollars for office chairs? why does the tax not go away after start up

Start-up costs $2 billion. The bill as a whole costs $891 billion. Does the difference between 2 and 891 answer your question?

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by saganista

Start-up costs $2 billion. The bill as a whole costs $891 billion. Does the difference between 2 and 891 answer your question?

And the other $889B is for what?

[meson]

Originally Posted by pghquest

<snip>I can see why FOX isnt the news source for some liberals, it requires you to actually think and listen.

And I can see why you never get any headway in your arguments...

[saganista]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

What I wonder about is how the public option turns out to be non-profit but tries to compete with the established companies that have much more than that $2 billion Saggy talks about as all they will ever have. They will be very non-profit and will have to have all kinds of subsidies paid to them to keep them profitable.

They have to pay back the $2 billion, which they will do out of premiums -- the very same thing that private insurance companies rely on. But the public option would not be sucking off 30 cents out of every dollar worth of those premiums for itself because they won't be paying huge salaries, they won't be sponsoring golf tournaments, and they won't be needing to make a profit. They need to set premiums to cover benefits, admin costs, and sensible additions to reserves. That's it.