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Perhaps. But the tax would have to be so high that it would create a black market in those items, which would require more taxes for police enforcement, etc. etc. ad infinitum.
Tells you something about why most founding fathers were against taxation, eh? If one thing history shows, is that excessive taxation is pure unadulterated FAIL.
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I generally prefer consumption taxes over income taxes for the same reason as you do, but they also have their limitations.
Such as? You can avoid the income tax in many many ways. Buy and sell physical gold, move your money offshore, work under the table, only accept cash for private transactions, etc.
Tells you something about why most founding fathers were against taxation, eh?
Against taxation? Jesus Christ, if understanding the American Revolution can be reduced to School House Rock lyrics, and reenactors posing as Tom Paine with only the slightest attribution of anything that he wrote... no wonder the U.S. is in such sad shape.
Just like the Bill of Rights, some folks like to cherry pick their Founding Fathers.
By the way, folks, you are aware that Paine was a "founder" but he wasn't a "framer."
Have you ever read Paine's Common Sense? In case you haven't let me suggest that you get a copy of Beck's Common Sense where you can find Paine's words included. Maybe if more people read Beck's version after reading Paine's they could see just how revolutionary Paine really was.
Thomas Paine was the closest thing to a socialist as there was among the Founders. He was for welfare, social security, the whole kit and caboodle. That he's been hijacked as a spokesman for ultra-right wing politics is a delicious irony, although of course very few people can appreciate it.
I see that you cherry picked Paine. You didn't see all his talk about how the colonies could build all the warships they needed and strangle the British by not building them for the enemy? You didn't see all his suggestions about how land force could be used to push the British out? I guess you read a different version than the one I read.
I believe The Rights of Man advocated an income tax--I could be wrong about that. It's irrelevant anyway, as the right wing would not be much happier about any other tax being levied for such uses.
Did Paine have anything to do with The Rights of Man? I didn't know that.
Have you ever read Paine's Common Sense? In case you haven't let me suggest that you get a copy of Beck's Common Sense where you can find Paine's words included. Maybe if more people read Beck's version after reading Paine's they could see just how revolutionary Paine really was.
I keep a copy of Becks Common Sense in the bathroom. I can usually get a half page read before I'm finished.
Perhaps. But the tax would have to be so high that it would create a black market in those items, which would require more taxes for police enforcement, etc. etc. ad infinitum.
I generally prefer consumption taxes over income taxes for the same reason as you do, but they also have their limitations.
We agree about consumption taxes instead of income taxes but I guess I haven't seen the limitations when compared to our present income tax, How about enumerating some of them?
He must have had lunch before he recorded this video because he forgot to take his bib off.
Attack of the messenger!!!!! How about an attack on what the messenger said?
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