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Old 11-29-2009, 12:39 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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1. Having access to abortion is a universal right for women.

2. Abortion helps control population growth.

3. Abortion helps lower crime rate.

4. Abortion saves society cost for unwanted children.

Murdering a child is never a solution for society's ills

If a woman does not want to get pregnant she should (a) use birth control and insist that her partner uses a condom or (b) keep her legs closed
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Old 11-29-2009, 12:49 PM
 
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1. Having access to abortion is a universal right for women.

2. Abortion helps control population growth.

3. Abortion helps lower crime rate.

4. Abortion saves society cost for unwanted children.
1. According to whom? You? Assuming it is a right, does that include not having to pay for it? Not in my world.

2. So does abstinence. And sterilization.

3. Really? Do you have proof of that?

4. Again, so does abstinence, and sterilization.
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Old 11-29-2009, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Toledo
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I hope there are NO women getting back alley abortions, now or ever again. but when you limit, tax, and make more expensive abortions, like the poster suggested, then it only punishes poor women who have a hard time coming up with the 400 bucks to get a safe legal abortion. abortion is here to stay and some women get so desperate that if they are unable to get one legally or can not figure out how to pay for it, or would have to travel hundreds of miles to get one, they will do whatever it takes for them to terminate. I don't want any woman to face that.
But public funding for elective abortions is already prohibited. I haven't heard about a rash of back alley abortions so low-income women who really want them are getting them somehow.

If you're so concerned about poor women getting abortions then donate to planned parenthood. I already pay enough taxes for things I don't agree as it is. I don't see the need to add yet another entitlement.
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Old 11-29-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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If someone's wife or worse; 14 YO daughter were gang raped and wound up pregnant............where would that man's 'prolife's' beliefs be then?

Note I do not approve of abortion: but, my being a man (since I cannot get pregnant), I have no say so over a woman's choice to abort or carry to term. So, yes, I am technically Pro Choice----------which also extends to a girl/woman's choice to carry to term despite possible family pressure to abort.
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Old 11-29-2009, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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drugs are another issue all together. apples and oranges. so you would prefer poor women put their health at risk with a back alley abortion rather than to pay for it? you want women to feel punished because some people don't approve of what their choice is?


Maybe instead of putting their health at risk they could....I know this is shocking to some.....carry the baby to term.

Only elective abortions are not covered by the government, if it is a neccesary abortion they can get it paid for.

It's not the taxpayers responsibility to pay for someone's "choice" and "desire" to terminate a pregnancy

It's not "punishment", it's how life works. They put themselves in that situation, and it is their responsibility to get themselves out of it.
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:07 PM
 
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But public funding for elective abortions is already prohibited. I haven't heard about a rash of back alley abortions so low-income women who really want them are getting them somehow.

If you're so concerned about poor women getting abortions then donate to planned parenthood. I already pay enough taxes for things I don't agree as it is. I don't see the need to add yet another entitlement.
"if I am so concerned donate to planned parenthood" is this the standard answer people give when someone questions restrictions on abortions and the possible effect to low income women? we all pay "enough" taxes, hardly anyone would disagree with that. we don't get a choice what the government does with our tax money do we? no, we don't. it does seem a bit ironic that we won't pay for abortion but we willingly pay both by taxes and the social implications for unwanted children. children that lead terrible lives of poverty and abuse. welfare, prisons, foster care, abused children who grow up and repeat what they were taught by life. yea, cuz that is so much cheaper than paying for abortion
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:11 PM
 
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Murdering a child is never a solution for society's ills

If a woman does not want to get pregnant she should (a) use birth control and insist that her partner uses a condom or (b) keep her legs closed

a. birth control fails.....then what?
b. people are allowed to have sex, do you tell the man to keep it in his pants? telling people to not have sex is unrealistic. besides the people you want to do the right thing are irresponsible and won't....hence the term irresponsible. what do you do about them?
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Old 11-30-2009, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Toledo
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"if I am so concerned donate to planned parenthood" is this the standard answer people give when someone questions restrictions on abortions and the possible effect to low income women? we all pay "enough" taxes, hardly anyone would disagree with that. we don't get a choice what the government does with our tax money do we? no, we don't. it does seem a bit ironic that we won't pay for abortion but we willingly pay both by taxes and the social implications for unwanted children. children that lead terrible lives of poverty and abuse. welfare, prisons, foster care, abused children who grow up and repeat what they were taught by life. yea, cuz that is so much cheaper than paying for abortion
It's not any more standard than the typical response of some folks to throw money at the problem rather than let people take responsibility for their own damn lives.
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Old 11-30-2009, 07:27 AM
 
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I haven't read all 20 pages yet, but I just wanted to chime in that YES abortions should be made avilable to women through medical clinics, but NO they should not be paid for by the government
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Old 11-30-2009, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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1. Having access to abortion is a universal right for women.

2. Abortion helps control population growth.

3. Abortion helps lower crime rate.

4. Abortion saves society cost for unwanted children.

1. Having access to abortion is a universal right for women.
where in the constitution does it say abortion is right.
It might be legal but so was killing the jews. wherei s this universal right you speak of

2. Abortion helps control population growth.
So does killing everyone over 70. so does drunk drivers op should we make killing while driving drunk legal, everyone over 70 get a bullet to the head. Are you a Maoist communist.

3. Abortion helps lower crime rate.

Show me any stat that proves this. How do you say killing a baby that will never live lower the crime rate.

4. Abortion saves society cost for unwanted children.[/quote]

killing 49 million does not save society
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