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It's interesting that "some" don't collect SS and medicare?
Well.. 'some' of hte population dont' need insurance but can cover expensive procedures all on their own without anything. Hell , there are "some" that can buy themselves their own islands and countries. Interesting, yes.. an anecdote, no.
It doesn't make it an anecdote to anything. It makes it an "exception" to the norm.
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I get upset when you pose this in some way shape or form as an argument against HC reform or the argument at hand.. especially since it's so irrelevant. You obviously felt it was relevant enough to bring it into the argument.. otherwise, there is no point in bringing it up. You didn't even bring it into the argument as what you now want to pass off as a breezy interesting anecdote.. you introduced it as something to substantiate your arguments. Only now are you claiming it was only an "interesting" fact.
some don't get Medicare because it's crap, just like the UHC concept you love so much.
No, but go on and state the military is socialistic........feel free to do so.......as to supporting our citizens....I have no problem supporting those with pre-existing conditions and those that are truly hardshipped. What I refuse to do is support the lazy, non producers on the backs of the innovative and hard working. Whenever anyone asks for donations from me for ANY cause that makes sense I take out my checkbook and write a check. I have no problem helping people as long as we are helping the RIGHT people. Those that have contributed to society in the past and have fallen on hard time or those too sick to do so.
Ah...the ridiculous "lazy bums" argument. When all else fails, mention the lazy bums. How many lazy bums do you know sarge? I don't know any. Never have, and I'm in my sixth decade of life. If you are surrounded by lazy bums, maybe you should seek better company.
Ah...the ridiculous "lazy bums" argument. When all else fails, mention the lazy bums. How many lazy bums do you know sarge? I don't know any. Never have, and I'm in my sixth decade of life. If you are surrounded by lazy bums, maybe you should seek better company.
No lazy bums in your neighborhood? Maybe you've always run with an elite crowd, lived in the best neighborhoods. That's a good way to miss them.
Ever visit a homeless shelter? Looked under a bridge in the city at night? Seen the homeless spending the day on park benches? That would be a good way to find and get to know some of them.
They're not all "lazy" but some of them are.
On a more serious note, if you don't think there aren't any people taking advantage of the system, just look at welfare rolls and the costs.
No lazy bums in your neighborhood? Maybe you've always run with an elite crowd, lived in the best neighborhoods. That's a good way to miss them.
My fellow bikers will get a kick out of this. We certainly are members of an elite group, but not the one you're thinking of.
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Ever visit a homeless shelter? Looked under a bridge in the city at night? Seen the homeless spending the day on park benches? That would be a good way to find and get to know some of them.
Yep, we have a homeless shelter here. It has a few hundred beds. In an area of a half-million population, that's quite an insignificant number. Moreover, these people are almost exclusively hindered by addiction and/or psychological problems, not laziness.
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They're not all "lazy" but some of them are.
Yep. Always have been and always will be. What's your solution?
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On a more serious note, if you don't think there aren't any people taking advantage of the system, just look at welfare rolls and the costs.
I've seen the statistics. Nowhere does the field "laziness" appear.
and you can't be lazy, or you'd never be able to afford the bikes!
That's my point. I'm not lazy, and no one I know is lazy. To be accurate, I have known plenty of lazy people, but none of them have been on welfare.
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As for welfare rolls...calling any of these people lazy (especially if they truly are) would not be p.c. (but you knew that).
PC? I have no clue what you're talking about. I abhor PC. Welfare statistics don't indicate the reason people are on welfare, so assuming laziness would be a logical error.
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Hey, ride safely!
Thank you, and I do. We have a toy run coming up on the 5th. Nothing better than a bunch of grizzly old men, riding Harleys with toys bungeed to the handlebars.
That's my point. I'm not lazy, and no one I know is lazy. To be accurate, I have known plenty of lazy people, but none of them have been on welfare.
PC? I have no clue what you're talking about. I abhor PC. Welfare statistics don't indicate the reason people are on welfare, so assuming laziness would be a logical error.
Thank you, and I do. We have a toy run coming up on the 5th. Nothing better than a bunch of grizzly old men, riding Harleys with toys bungeed to the handlebars.
Why did you ignore my other two points?
I thought 200 beds for a city of half a million is a small homeless shelter indeed, but didn't want to criticize. For all I know, the city budget might be strained in these economic times. But, now that you brought it up (again), I think that's neglectful of the city.
As for the solution, I'm waiting with bated breath for Obama's solution.
It's nice that you're doing a toy run. I hear donations are down this year. I did a toy run myself (ran to the store for a toy to donate).
Good to hear there's a softer side to some of the posters here. Keep up the good work.
I thought 200 beds for a city of half a million is a small homeless shelter indeed, but didn't want to criticize. For all I know, the city budget might be strained in these economic times. But, now that you brought it up (again), I think that's neglectful of the city.
Unless...virtually everyone in the area is self-sufficient. Again, that's my point. To be fair, there are the Salvation Army and Gospel Mission that provide beds as well, but those programs require that the beneficiaries work in exchange for their keep. No laziness there.
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As for the solution, I'm waiting with bated breath for Obama's solution.
I asked for your solution, not Obama's. What do we do with the infinitessimal number of people who are capable, but refuse to work? Lock 'em up? That would be counterproductive; more costly then just giving them the money. Unless you support forcing people to work (that would be communistic), I don't see any solution other than encouragement and education. The current system of welfare-to-work would seem to provide incentives. I'm not aware of the effectiveness of the program, but it provides a good framework for getting people off the system.
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It's nice that you're doing a toy run. I hear donations are down this year. I did a toy run myself (ran to the store for a toy to donate).
Good to hear there's a softer side to some of the posters here. Keep up the good work.
Thank you. Everyone has a soft side, but politics isn't a good place to look for it.
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and you can't be lazy, or you'd never be able to afford the bikes! 
