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Old 11-29-2009, 04:13 PM
 
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I'm so glad I came here. I wondered what Great Day did for a living or I guess his wife. Of course he is against health care reform. He is worried as the insurance companies are about any change hitting their pocket book. If his wife has already stopped seeing Medicare patients what will she do if her prices are cut with health care reform. You won't be able to keep up with the lifestyle you have become accustomed too. Just like the rest of us who are paying the 20% increase in insurance when wages are going up 2% a year. Join our world and I hope soon.
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Old 11-29-2009, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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No lazy bums in your neighborhood? Maybe you've always run with an elite crowd, lived in the best neighborhoods. That's a good way to miss them.

Ever visit a homeless shelter? Looked under a bridge in the city at night? Seen the homeless spending the day on park benches? That would be a good way to find and get to know some of them.

They're not all "lazy" but some of them are.

On a more serious note, if you don't think there aren't any people taking advantage of the system, just look at welfare rolls and the costs.
Most Medicare fraud is committed by providers, not the patients. There are plenty of links on this forum to back that up. Do a search.
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Old 11-29-2009, 05:49 PM
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Location: Wisconsin
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No lazy bums in your neighborhood? Maybe you've always run with an elite crowd, lived in the best neighborhoods. That's a good way to miss them.

Ever visit a homeless shelter? Looked under a bridge in the city at night? Seen the homeless spending the day on park benches? That would be a good way to find and get to know some of them.

They're not all "lazy" but some of them are.

On a more serious note, if you don't think there aren't any people taking advantage of the system, just look at welfare rolls and the costs.
You might be surprised, and hopefully ashamed, to learn that one of the fastest growing segments of the homeless population are returning soldiers from the war. Some are suffering from PTSD, some came home to find no jobs and their family gone....but somehow those who proclaimed support for the troops don't want to support them when they could actually do something to help them.

Also families where the parent is actually working but not making enough to make ends meet for the family are homeless. I know. I volunteer to tutor their children. You might be surprised to learn that most of these people are stunned to find themselves in this situation. Just a couple of years ago they had good paying jobs and homes. Now it is gone.

Then we have the mentally ill who didn't ask for their illness anymore than a person with diabetes or cancer asked for their illness. They often end up homeless and unable to find help.

No one knows what tomorrow may bring. No one knows where you may find yourself in the future. Karma is a funny thing.

Don't send to ask for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.
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Old 11-29-2009, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That is not factual.

They can ONLY get Medicare / Medicare supplement if they apply for social security, and many seniors do not apply for social security - regardless if you think it is foolish or not.

May I ask why YOU are so argumentative? I merely noted that there are some of my patients who do not have Medicare (nor any supplements) - and that seems to have set YOU off on some sort of Rage.
Do you have any stats to back up this claim that "many" seniors do not apply for SS? I frankly have never heard of anyone who is eligible turning it down, and I have worked with the elderly.
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Old 11-29-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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I think the majority of people 65 and over choose to draw SS and pay an additional amount of money for Part B Medicare. They get Part A automatically if they choose to draw social security benefits.
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:00 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Most Medicare fraud is committed by providers, not the patients. There are plenty of links on this forum to back that up. Do a search.
huh? the post wasn't talking about Medicare fraud.
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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huh? the post wasn't talking about Medicare fraud.
I thought that's what this meant:

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On a more serious note, if you don't think there aren't any people taking advantage of the system, just look at welfare rolls and the costs.
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Old 11-29-2009, 07:37 PM
 
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I'm so glad I came here. I wondered what Great Day did for a living or I guess his wife. Of course he is against health care reform. He is worried as the insurance companies are about any change hitting their pocket book. If his wife has already stopped seeing Medicare patients what will she do if her prices are cut with health care reform. You won't be able to keep up with the lifestyle you have become accustomed too. Just like the rest of us who are paying the 20% increase in insurance when wages are going up 2% a year. Join our world and I hope soon.
I'm glad I came here, too. Pretty interesting and yet, somehow, it does add up.

Disliking Obama's "socialistic" policies, hunting in Alaska; practicing in Phoenix, AR; keeping wealthy, privately-insured patients while dumping Medicare recipients.....you don't need to be a political consultant to realize which side of the aisle this family's on....

But, no, keep the same healthcare system. As more and more people find themselves without jobs, unable to make COBRA payments, or find private insurance policies that they can afford; and as more and more Americans (than EVER before-Baby Boomers) find themselves eligible for Medicare, and yet being "transferred" to other practitioners, the more fractured medical care will become. Even if the Democrats have to compromise, a new health care plan, with a governmental OPTION ( key word-OPTION, as in "not mandatory"), with pre-existing conditions included, must be passed.

I've worked in medicine for the past 25 years, in such states as VT, WI and MA, and I'm sympathetic to physician concerns about lawsuits, etc. But this physician would have served her cause better by saying nothing here.
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Old 11-29-2009, 07:56 PM
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You sure are funny - and uninformed!

Many physicians around the country, particularly in the PCP arena have stopped taking Medicare. I'm certainly not alone.

I know that those former patients were able to get other good physicians. I know this because I helped with the referrals and, we have forwarded medical records on all the affected patients, to their new Doctors.

And, like it or not, a medical practice does need sufficient income to keep its doors open. Some, like you, have difficulty comprehen
ding this fact.

LOLOLOLOL - But, you are sort of funny.
And yet, these other good doctors were able to make "sufficient income" while treating medicare patients. I guess it all depends on what you deem "sufficent income" and what you meant when you took the physician's oath. If those luxuries are more necessary than the lives of your patients then I guess it is lucky that they were able to find GOOD doctors.
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Old 11-30-2009, 06:34 AM
 
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Plus what kind of patient wants to go to someone like IWONDERWHY1. I want a sympathetic caring doctor. Not one who if something happens that I am not going to be able to pay the big bucks I'm going to get kicked to the curb or the fear of racking up the dollars with tests and visits for the sake of the dollar instead of the good of my health.
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