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View Poll Results: Are white nationalists all racists?
Yes 37 64.91%
No 20 35.09%
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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French is a culture. Spanish is a culture. Thai is a culture. White is a race. White nationalism implies the White race. It's racist.

Also, it's not "genetic" for us to stick to our own "race". It's more psychological due to social conditioning. We can differentiate the "other" on any number of lines. Currently, the other is being defined as "lega" vs. "illegal" and "Muslim" vs. "non-Muslim". It's not as if we instinctively seek out our own "race". Race is too nebulous to be genetic. Russians, for example, are "White", but look like "Asian" the further east. What about people from the Caucaus region? What about Ethiopians who look African and Middle Eastern?

It is out of ignorance that people join said groups.

Also, just read a post stating something along the lines of "dominant genes come from non-White parents". No, that is not true at all. There are roughly 7 alleles that determine skin color. It's pretty much a matter of chance. Skin color is not dominant/recessive (except in albinism).

People will always find a way to form groups. However, its not about turning everybody into the same group...we should focus on how these groups will get along without trying to. Our strength should lie with our diversity of thought and opinion, not with homogeny or bitter hostility towards others.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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French is a culture. Spanish is a culture. Thai is a culture. White is a race. White nationalism implies the White race. It's racist.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:44 PM
 
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:45 PM
 
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I'm sure it's theoretically possible to be a white nationalist and not be a racist. But it would buck a rather strong correlation.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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This article is the biggest fail I have ever seen, did you even read it? NOWHERE does it say that crime in rural areas is ever higher than in urban areas in similar regions.

What it DOES say is that, in some areas of the country(like New England) have urban crime rates that are lower than the crime in rural areas of other parts of the country(like South Atlantic states). Of course the fail in that is, the urban crime in the south atlantic state is about three to four times greater than the rural crime in those same states.

Do you really believe that by proving that Boston is safer than rural south, that that somehow proves that rural cities are equally as dangerous as urban cities. I doubt it.

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Old 11-28-2009, 05:07 PM
 
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French is a culture. Spanish is a culture. Thai is a culture. White is a race. White nationalism implies the White race. It's racist.

Also, it's not "genetic" for us to stick to our own "race". It's more psychological due to social conditioning.
Nothing has been said that it is purely "genetic" to stick to ones own race. Only that genetics play a role in who we are and what we prefer, as well as social and environmental conditioning. The "genetics" part is a hold-over from pre-history when the earth was sparsely populated. (Maybe only about 50,000 years ago--hardly enough time to have all those trace genetic influences mutated or bred out of us.) Today's world is heavily populated and most everyone on this forum has been exposed to multiple environmental and societal influences from birth on that help to shape our psyches, preferences and personalities. Women feel comfortable with their girl friends--there's a common bond there. Ditto for men. A black person may feel most comfortable with another black person. A white person may feel most comfortable with another white person. There is nothing wrong with that and no one needs to be condemned because of it. Such preferences are a combination of many factors--genetic, conditioning, social and environmental.

As for the red highlighted part of your post--I would say that it isn't necessarily "racist" but could be just "racial". On the other hand, if it IS "racist", then Black Nationalism must, by definition, also be "racist". Ditto Native American Nationalism, Jewish Nationalism, Japanese Nationalism, etc.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:14 PM
 
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As for the red highlighted part of your post--I would say that it isn't necessarily "racist" but could be just "racial". On the other hand, if it IS "racist", then Black Nationalism must, by definition, also be "racist". Ditto Native American Nationalism, Jewish Nationalism, Japanese Nationalism, etc.
racism means belief in superiority that entails inhumane views or treatment of others or violating them. anyone who feels they have a right to abuse others or cause suffering or destroy another life embodies or practicing this virulent form of racism. this is just naricssistic sociopath but based on race.

so as long as your nationalistic values do not incorporate the above, it may not be 'racist' as you say but just preference to be with your own kind or those you have most in common with and does not extend to gratuitous aggression or violence toward others. unfortunatlly, humans can be very clever in a negative way and can express this in not obvious aggressive means. there are different means from brainwashing to spreading half-truths or hypocritical or prejudicial views masked as something else etc.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:23 PM
 
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Nothing has been said that it is purely "genetic" to stick to ones own race. Only that genetics play a role in who we are and what we prefer, as well as social and environmental conditioning. The "genetics" part is a hold-over from pre-history when the earth was sparsely populated. (Maybe only about 50,000 years ago--hardly enough time to have all those trace genetic influences mutated or bred out of us.) Today's world is heavily populated and most everyone on this forum has been exposed to multiple environmental and societal influences from birth on that help to shape our psyches, preferences and personalities. Women feel comfortable with their girl friends--there's a common bond there. Ditto for men. A black person may feel most comfortable with another black person. A white person may feel most comfortable with another white person. There is nothing wrong with that and no one needs to be condemned because of it. Such preferences are a combination of many factors--genetic, conditioning, social and environmental.

Society plays such a role regarding race seperation. Not genetics. At all. We know this since there are simply too many exceptions for this premise to be true. The need to be in a group is genetic, but the parameters are reflective of the environment and society.

As for the red highlighted part of your post--I would say that it isn't necessarily "racist" but could be just "racial". On the other hand, if it IS "racist", then Black Nationalism must, by definition, also be "racist". Ditto Native American Nationalism, Jewish Nationalism, Japanese Nationalism, etc.

It is racist. Japanese nationalism is not racist, since Japan is a nation. Japanese is not a race. Jewish is not a race. It's a religion. Sure there is a cultural aspect (I claim Yiddish ancestry, simply because White nationalists in Germany determined my family was no longer German).

Race based nationalist movements are racist. Period.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:25 PM
 
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They are just teh same as all race based groups;rqacist in their intent and goals. Its all based on race with these gropus rather its the white nationalist;NAACP or la Raza.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:28 PM
 
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It is racist. Japanese nationalism is not racist, since Japan is a nation. Japanese is not a race. Jewish is not a race. It's a religion. Sure there is a cultural aspect (I claim Yiddish ancestry, simply because White nationalists in Germany determined my family was no longer German).

Race based nationalist movements are racist. Period.
i think the difference people are not discerning, though there are racist in every country, is that white nationalist movements focus very seriously on eugenics of race and everything from supposed moral superiority based on genetics and all types of spins which they believe to be fact. it is goes beyond just 'cultural' preservation or even race preservation but a belief that their race has the right to dictate based on supposed moral high ground. this is why they are dangerous and a hate group. when they start unraveling and expressing thier views, you will notice that it goes beyond just 'preservation' or 'separation'. that's just what they want at "least" but they also foam at the mouth at the idea of destroying or hurting other races or cultures they dislike or arbitrarily deem not as worthy. they also are very illogical, hypocritical and arbitary and construe thier whims and preferences as truth or fact. they freakishly break down the minutae habits, preferences, differences etc of other races and cultures to judge them as if they were god with a strong moral bent often misapplied. they are dangerous because they are often erroneous and motivated by their own prejudices but BELIEVE they are right.

they are basically sociopaths of thier own flavor.

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