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Old 11-29-2009, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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Your assumption, whether proven or otherwise, is guilty by association. Don't know what the stats are but those kinds of things usually don't pan out.
Sorry to disappoint, but that what I have been posting is not assumption, it is REAL, and the sooner people realize that Bin Laden and the Bush family were palsy-walsy, the sooner they'll realize there's a dead fish stinking the place up.
At the very least, Bush and his administration could be charged with subversion.

In the Armed Forces, we were taught all about subversion.
Subversion:
subversion

1. Bin Laden's family was evacuated from the U.S.A.
2. Bush family and Bin Laden family ties.
3. Bush ties to Dubai Ports deal.
4. Bush ties to the UAE.
5. Bush lies about WMD Iraq
6. Bush not worried of the whereabouts of Bin Laden


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o

All very suspicious activity.

Pan Out? are you kidding?
e.g., A man kills another, the man's brother saw his brother do it. Police show up to question the brother (witness).And, that doesn't pan out? Wouldn't that be witholding evidence if the brother witness didn't come foreward? or tell the truth? Pan out, yeah right.

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Old 11-29-2009, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Bill Clinton let him get away earlier. 9-11 could have been prevented if Clinton had a descent foreign policy.
Really? Hmmm, let's look at a few facts, shall we?

During President Clinton's two terms in office, we:
  • Captured Ramzi Yousef;
  • Arrested and convicted Wali Khan Amin Shah;
  • Initiated a grand jury investigation of bin Laden in New York;
  • Uncovered his network in 56 countries;
  • Pressured Sudan to expel him;
  • Garnered the cooperation of Jamal Ahmed al-Fadl regarding Al Qaeda's organization and how it operates;
  • Convicted Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah;
  • Arrested Mohamed al-'Owhali and got him to confess to his role in the embassy bombing;
  • Fired Tomahawk missiles at a suspected Al Qaeda camp in Afghanistan and a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, which was suspected of producing chemical weapons for bin Laden (I don't think I have to tell you how the Right criticized that one);
  • Arrested Ali Mohamed and got his cooperation regarding bin Laden;
  • Thwarted an attack on Los Angeles International Airport by arresting Ahmed Ressam when he was caught entering the U.S. with 130 pounds of explosives;
  • And repeatedly warned the Bush administration, in urgent post-election intelligence briefings in December 2000 and January 2001, that "Al Qaeda posed the worst security threat facing the nation".
Warning Bush Team on Al Qaeda

Then the ball moved into George W. Bush's court.
  • Between January and August of 2001, the FAA issued 15 advisories to airlines and airports warning that terrorists could try to hijack or destroy American aircraft;
  • NSC counterterrorism chief, Richard Clark warned that Al Qaeda sleeper cells within the U.S. were “a major threat”;
  • In April, 2001, Washington received another "specific threat" that Al Qaeda may attack American targets;
  • Also in April, 2001, another FAA warning was issued, calling for "a high degree of alertness";
  • FBI Investigators were pulled out of Yemen due to security issues, and more FAA warnings went out in June, 2001;
  • U.S. embassies in Senegal and Bahrain were closed;
  • An attack against the embassy in Yemen was stopped by the Yemenis;
  • In June, Condoleezza Rice was warned during an intelligence briefing that an Al Qaeda attack is “highly likely.”
  • Throughout July and August, a bunch of terrorists got into the country, and the FBI warned the Administration about retaliatory terrorist attacks for the arrest and conviction of Ahmed Ressam;
  • Zacarias Moussaoui was picked up in Minneapolis, but no search warrant is issued;
  • The CIA alerted the FBI that Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi were inside the U.S.;
  • On August 6, Condoleeza Rice and President Bush were informed "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" and that "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings" were found;
  • On August 28, Moussaoui was linked to Al Qaeda;
  • On September 11, 2001, 4 planes were hijacked, two were slammed into the World Trade Center towers in New York, one was slammed into the Pentagon and one was overtaken by passengers and crashed in a field in Pennsylvania, likely on its way to the White House - 2,967 people lost their lives, and thousands more lost their loved-ones.
So, how could 9-11 have been prevented again, and by whom?
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:39 AM
 
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Sorry to disappoint, but that what I have been posting is not assumption, it is REAL, and the sooner people realize that Bin Laden and the Bush family were palsy-walsy, the sooner they'll realize there's a dead fish stinking the place up.
At the very least, Bush and his administration could be charged with subversion.

In the Armed Forces, we were taught all about subversion.
Subversion:
subversion

1. Bin Laden's family was evacuated from the U.S.A.
2. Bush family and Bin Laden family ties.
3. Bush ties to Dubai Ports deal.
4. Bush ties to the UAE.
5. Bush lies about WMD Iraq
6. Bush not worried of the whereabouts of Bin Laden


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o

All very suspicious activity.
Only to someone who cant seperate the fact that Bin Ladens family, is not Bin Laden.. This is like equating Obama a drug user because his brother has been charged with using pot, or saying Chelsea Clinton will be a womanizer because her dad was one..

The humor is only compounded by the fact that your "guilt by association" was just recently excused by those on the left when justifying the election of Obama. We have Ayers, Wright, SEIU, ACORN, and who else to add to the list?
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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Only to someone who cant seperate the fact that Bin Ladens family, is not Bin Laden.. This is like equating Obama a drug user because his brother has been charged with using pot, or saying Chelsea Clinton will be a womanizer because her dad was one..

The humor is only compounded by the fact that your "guilt by association" was just recently excused by those on the left when justifying the election of Obama. We have Ayers, Wright, SEIU, ACORN, and who else to add to the list?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rO3F6mZUaE

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As most of us know, whenever a crime is committed, the police or investigators usually come up with a name of a perpetrator. After the perpetrator is identified, the investigators usually look to "family and friends" to ask them questions like, e.g., when was the last time you saw Bin Laden? when was the last time you heard from him ? what do you know about his plans to ram airliners into skyscrapers? did you know he was planning this?
Since the Bin Laden family was evacuated, and since there was no opportunity to question family members and their friends, we'll never know.
But I am not alone in believing that there was something wrong with that.
Guilt by association? Immediate family? Why not, someone must have known something.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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Wow Good comeback.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Bush and company never wanted Osama. The only used him to get into Iraq, their main objective. Why else would they take the majority of troops out of Afghanistan as quickly as they did without having met the objective of his capture? It was all about oil and a quick victory in Iraq. Rummy, the Dummy, never knew what he was getting into! Let's give credit to this fiasco to the "3 Wise Men" Bush, Cheney and Rummy.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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Bush and company never wanted Osama. The only used him to get into Iraq, their main objective. Why else would they take the majority of troops out of Afghanistan as quickly as they did without having met the objective of his capture? It was all about oil and a quick victory in Iraq. Rummy, the Dummy, never knew what he was getting into! Let's give credit to this fiasco to the "3 Wise Men" Bush, Cheney and Rummy.
Still waiting on all that oil we supposedly went there for Sport.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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Since the Bin Laden family was evacuated, and since there was no opportunity to question family members and their friends, we'll never know.
But I am not alone in believing that there was something wrong with that.
Guilt by association? Immediate family? Why not, someone must have known something.
Everyone has known since 1994 the Bin Laden family had dis-associated themself with Bin Laden. The only surprise is the non stop excuse after excuse for its relevance..

Ahh, so the guilty by association is only relevant when dealing with family members. Lets go with that argument.

Obama had 54 brothers, so according to you, the actions of each and every one of them are credited/blamed for one another? Fine, so Obama is now a dope smoking pot head because his brother is?
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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Bush and company never wanted Osama. The only used him to get into Iraq, their main objective. Why else would they take the majority of troops out of Afghanistan as quickly as they did without having met the objective of his capture? It was all about oil and a quick victory in Iraq. Rummy, the Dummy, never knew what he was getting into! Let's give credit to this fiasco to the "3 Wise Men" Bush, Cheney and Rummy.
Well of course not. Why would a friend narc on a friend, and why would a friend go after a friend? The Bushs' do have scruples, and lots of friends in high places, mainly the rich.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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Everyone has known for DECADES that the Bin Laden family had dis-associated itself with Bin Laden. The only surprise is the non stop excuse after excuse for its relevance..

Ahh, so the guilty by association is only relevant when dealing with family members. Fine, so Obama is now a dope smoking pot head because his brother is?
Ah Ha, dope smoking now compared to flying aircraft into 3 buildings and killing thousands of people. Good anaology, keep up the good work!
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