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Old 05-16-2007, 04:46 PM
 
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Thank you American Petroleum Institute. We assume that was a joke?
Tell us who you think is causing high prices, and why ???

You blame the API it seems, but can you explain why they are to blame ??
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Old 05-16-2007, 05:16 PM
 
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Tell us who you think is causing high prices, and why ???

You blame the API it seems, but can you explain why they are to blame ??
You drill oil wells, you're probably a member of API so no matter what I say, you win..It would be like blue against the NRA or the ACLU
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Old 05-16-2007, 05:36 PM
 
Location: N.H.
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Maybe if the environmentalist wackos would not worry about the mating habits of the Carabu or whatever it is, we could drill.
Maybe if we relocated the animals ,and replaced them with Environmentalist we could just drill through them. Face it who cares about the Eco terrorist such as ALF and PETA. Aside from the Nuts that belong to them. (sorry if you belong to them, and don't realize what they really do) But yes they are Environmental Terrorist groups.
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Old 05-16-2007, 05:41 PM
 
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You drill oil wells, you're probably a member of API so no matter what I say, you win..It would be like blue against the NRA or the ACLU
No, Actually I am not a member of the API..

I will say that most people probably do not understand how complex and costly it is to drill for oil, then treat it, ship it, refine it, and send it to the gas stations though.... I just do an everyday job like millions of Americans. I get paid a wage for my labor, and believe me, it doesn't matter how much the companies make, us contractor employee's at the field level are not getting rich... I wouldn't say that you would lose to me either, I know what a lot of the facts are concerning this business, and you might be surprised at the numbers.. The only thing that bothers me much is, when oil was $6.00 a barrel, and I was scrounging for work every day because very few companies were drilling, there was no one crying about the thousands of oil workers like me that were losing everything they had because of how cheap gas was.. There was no huge public outcry about that, but as soon as prices go up, everyone is upset, even if it means thousands of Americans are able to make a decent wage because of it... Prices on anything in demand will almost always go up, and I am not saying it is always fair, but it is life.....
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Old 05-16-2007, 05:47 PM
 
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Maybe if we relocated the animals ,and replaced them with Environmentalist we could just drill through them. Face it who cares about the Eco terrorist such as ALF and PETA. Aside from the Nuts that belong to them. (sorry if you belong to them, and don't realize what they really do) But yes they are Environmental Terrorist groups.
They do have some pretty strange views on things, that is for sure...

I don't think people realize how sanitary drilling is and what a small footprint drilling really leaves behind today.. Everyone screams about gas prices, oil prices, blah, blah, blah, but by GOD don't drill for it, you might interfere with the 3 toed sloths mating habits, or you might upset a reindeer who wanted that particular piece of swampy marsh you are drilling on...
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Old 05-16-2007, 05:53 PM
 
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Maybe if we relocated the animals ,and replaced them with Environmentalist we could just drill through them. Face it who cares about the Eco terrorist such as ALF and PETA. Aside from the Nuts that belong to them. (sorry if you belong to them, and don't realize what they really do) But yes they are Environmental Terrorist groups.
I would rather be an environmental terrorist than a person without a planet. I just believe the concerns of the planet trump all others. Any system disrespecting the natural order will ultimately fail.

Maybe if they relocated you...(my apology can be just as ingenuous).
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:02 PM
 
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I would rather be an environmental terrorist than a person without a planet. I just believe the concerns of the planet trump all others. Any system disrespecting the natural order will ultimately fail.

Maybe if they relocated you...(my apology can be just as ingenuous).
So do you completely go without the luxuries oil provides ? Or just what you think is a good enough compromise for yourself ?... Oh wait, you have a computer, which requires petroleum, you have electric which requires petroleum, and I will assume you have a house ? Car ?? Motorcycle ? Lawn Mower ?
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:10 PM
 
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They do have some pretty strange views on things, that is for sure...

I don't think people realize how sanitary drilling is and what a small footprint drilling really leaves behind today.. Everyone screams about gas prices, oil prices, blah, blah, blah, but by GOD don't drill for it, you might interfere with the 3 toed sloths mating habits, or you might upset a reindeer who wanted that particular piece of swampy marsh you are drilling on...
You didn't understand my post the last time and your responses came at me at 90 degrees, so you may not get anything out of this post.

You complain about everybody bitching about the oil industry and you counter with the exorbitant cost and time involved to drill for oil. People have a right to complain and they have a right to aim their anger towards the oil companies. People want alternatives, but the oil industry doesn't want anyone else to develop them. It is in the nature of big business (and capitalism) to destroy the opposition. Since the majority of oil is used for the production of gasoline (my assumption as I'm not familiar with the industry), people would be better off venting their rage at both the government and the automotive industry. But, none of this will accomplish anything since government is in bed with BOTH industries!

Since the original post spoke about the oil industry, I only hinted at the connection to government and the auto industry. But, as long as all three basically conspire to maximize profits at the expense of the environment and underfund and ignore the exploration of alternatives, there will be no solution and no relief for the consumer.

Finally, quite a lot of disdain is evident in your "you might upset a reindeer who wanted that particular piece of swampy marsh" statement. I personally have no affinity for swamps. I'm very uncomfortable in Louisiana (sorry). But I would never hold that landscape in such contempt or belittle its value. There's more life in that swamp on the North Slope (for example) than in many cities. Just as one person is not insignificant, one small fish or bird is not insignificant.

When we get people like some of these other posters who find life to be so meaningless because it isn't human or pretty or popular or common, ALL are endangered. What a pity some people can't see the connection.

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Old 05-16-2007, 06:18 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The American Petroleum Institute told lawmakers its members were not to blame for high pump costs.
They went on to add that our prisons are full of innocent men.
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Old 05-16-2007, 06:22 PM
 
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So do you completely go without the luxuries oil provides ? Or just what you think is a good enough compromise for yourself ?... Oh wait, you have a computer, which requires petroleum, you have electric which requires petroleum, and I will assume you have a house ? Car ?? Motorcycle ? Lawn Mower ?
I didn't say anything about abandoning my current 'luxuries'. If we didn't produce oil, I have enough faith in human creativity that we could come up with alternatives. Our distance from nature has created many unnatural things that don't degrade over time and which serve only one purpose, only later to be disposed of in ways that are harmful. I have no issue with the range of items created using petroleum products. But, I am just seeing ahead further than most, and I see the road ahead is a dead end. Why not fully devote energies now to alternatives so the imminent change (abandonment of these 'luxuries' for example) isn't so dramatic and troubling?

Besides, we have a proud human history of living without these things just 300 years ago. With current technology and scientific understanding, I have no doubt comfortable alternatives would be cropping up all over the place.

I also suspect that if we just sit back and each industry simply says "it's too expensive to implement change" then, some day, the change will be made for us. The Earth won't bother sustaining us. One little axis shift (Mother Earth swiveling her hips ) and we're goners!
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