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Old 11-30-2009, 05:47 PM
 
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//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...nt-afghan.html just read the 7 pages and plz read it all and then you would know what i mean.

 
Old 11-30-2009, 05:47 PM
 
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Well i stand for the truth thats all.
I can respect standing for the truth.
 
Old 11-30-2009, 05:49 PM
 
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But you wouldn't want to live there?? LOL


Awww the heck with those women ! They deserve their beatings! They don't need to go to school either!
I think you'll find that women have had a raw deal in those societies for centuries.

Funny how you lot start carping about womens right all of a sudden.
I dont remember Bush using womens rights, as an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

Carry on
 
Old 11-30-2009, 05:51 PM
 
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But you wouldn't want to live there?? LOL


Awww the heck with those women ! They deserve their beatings! They don't need to go to school either!
The problem is, the United States is so morally high-handed when it comes to these matters. We believe our way is superior to all other ways. And while I believe Christianity teaches far better values than any other religion. Americans are hardly Christians anymore. We are a bunch of immoral heathens who disregard the religion when it doesn't suit us.

The number of single parent households, the debauchery shown on all forms of the media. The lack of any respect by our children for their parents or other human beings is an embarrassment to all true Christians. The crime rate, the drugs, the encouragement of young women to basically be sluts and whores. Our occupation of other countries, which leads to the slaughter of thousands or millions. If you were a muslim conservative type person looking at the United States, do you really think we are the model that the muslim world wants to emulate?

I am not saying that I agree with the Taliban, but why is it my right to tell others what to believe? Why is it my right to tell them what is right or wrong? It would be different if the people of this country lived as they preached.
 
Old 11-30-2009, 05:51 PM
 
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But you wouldn't want to live there?? LOL But it's great for them.......right??


Awww the heck with those women ! They deserve their beatings! They don't need to go to school either!
Women's conditions today are way worse, today girls as young as 10 get raped and their parents cant even report that to the police because the rapists have connections with the Karzai's government. Under the taliban no male dared to rape a female because they knew their limits.
 
Old 11-30-2009, 05:54 PM
 
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Citizenkane2 you r telling me that Afghanistan has human rights now, your telling me that Afghanistan librated women?!

Buddy today women or even girls as young as 10 years old get raped and their parents cant do anything about it because these rapists have connections with the government so they dont really get caught and they repeat these acts more than once. Under the Taliban at least people knew their limits, at least they knew not to rape females because there was consequences. BTW the taliban did not enforce the brand of islam by gun, the people welcomed them, man if the Afghans didnt want them then the Taliban were not going to last that long buddy. Lets get back to the women rights for a sec, do you know that the U.S. and NATO forces wiped out villages in Afghanistan, Do you know that these forces you support still bomb these innocent afghans during wedding nights because they accuse them with the Taliban when they're not, most people who die in these wedding are mostly children and women and their numbers of deaths sometimes tops 100, do you know that these forces still have innocent afghans that have been jailed for the last 7 years without any reason and they torture them and make fun of them in their own countries. No wonder you would find the Taliban operates around 80% Afghanistan because the Afghans are tired of these acts. BTW the Taliban fighters you see today, 90% of them were not with the Taliban back from 1996-2001. These Taliban fighters are just ordinary Afghans who are out there to take revenge from these western forces.
 
Old 11-30-2009, 05:55 PM
 
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I think you'll find that women have had a raw deal in those societies for centuries.

Funny how you lot start carping about womens right all of a sudden.
I dont remember Bush using womens rights, as an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

Carry on
That's funny, cause I don't remember the women in the WTC and The Pentagon not wearing their required burkas as an excuse to blow them up.
 
Old 11-30-2009, 06:01 PM
 
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That's funny, cause I don't remember the women in the WTC and The Pentagon not wearing their required burkas as an excuse to blow them up.
That's why your lot invaded Afghanistan...........because 19 Saudis flew 2 planes in to the WTC.

And now you lot here are waffling about womens rights!
 
Old 11-30-2009, 06:02 PM
 
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AFGHANISTAN: A WAR OF LIES

Taliban received US aid until May, 2001. The CIA was planning to use Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida to stir up Muslim Uighurs against Chinese rule

By Eric Margolis
President Barack Obama and Congress are wrestling with widening the war in Afghanistan. After eight years of military operations costing US $236 billion, the US commander in Afghanistan just warned of the threat of `failure,’ aka defeat.
Truth is war’s first casualty. The Afghan War’s biggest untruth is, `we’ve got to fight terrorists over there so we don’t have to fight them at home.’ Politicians and generals keep using this canard to justify a war they can’t otherwise explain or justify.

Over 147 innocent civilians, many of them women and children, were massacred when US war planes bombed villages of Gerani and Gangabad in Bala Baluk district of Farah Province on May 4, 2009. (Photo: RAWA)
Many North Americans still buy this lie because they believe the 9/11 attacks came directly from the Afghanistan-based al-Qaida and Taliban movements.
Not true. The 9/11 attacks were planned in Germany and Spain, and conducted mainly by US-based Saudis to punish America for supporting Israel’s repression of the Palestinians.
Taliban, a militant religious, anti-Communist movement of Pashtun tribesmen, was totally surprised by 9/11. Osama bin Laden, on whom 9/11 is blamed, was in Afghanistan as a guest because he was a national hero for fighting the Soviets in the 1980’s and was aiding Taliban’s struggle against the Afghan Communist-dominated Northern Alliance afterwards.
Taliban received US aid until May, 2001. The CIA was planning to use Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida to stir up Muslim Uighurs against Chinese rule, and to employ Taliban against Russia’s Central Asian allies. Most of the so-called `terrorist training camps’ in Afghanistan were being run by Pakistani intelligence to prepare mujahidin fighters for combat in Indian-held Kashmir.
In 2001, Al-Qaida only numbered 300 members. Most have since been killed. A handful escaped to Pakistan. Only a few remain in Afghanistan. Yet President Obama insists 68,000 or more US troops must stay in Afghanistan to fight al-Qaida and prevent extremists from re-acquiring `terrorist training camps.’
This claim, like Saddam’s non-existent weapons of mass destruction, is a handy slogan to market war to the public. Today, half of Afghanistan is under Taliban control. Anti-American militants could more easily use Somalia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, North and West Africa, or Sudan. They don’t need remote Afghanistan. The 9/11 attacks were planned in apartments, not camps.
However backwards and oafish its Pashtun tribesmen, they have no desire or interest in attacking America. Taliban are the sons of the US-backed mujahidin who defeated the Soviets in the 1980’s. Taliban never was America’s enemy. Instead of invading Afghanistan in 2001, the US should have paid Taliban to uproot al-Qaida – as I wrote in the Los Angeles Times in 2001.
The Pashtun tribes want to end foreign occupation and drive out the Afghan Communists and drug lords, who now dominate the US-installed Kabul regime. But the US has blundered into a full-scale war not just with Taliban, but with most of Afghanistan’s fierce Pashtun tribes, who comprise over half the population.
This conflict is now spreading into Pashtun regions of Pakistan. Last week, the US Ambassador in Islamabad actually called for US air and missile attacks on the Pakistan’s city of Quetta, where some senior Taliban figures are said to be located.
The US is sinking ever deeper into the South Asian morass. Washington is trying to arm-twist Pakistan into being more obedient and widening the war against its own independent-minded Pashtun tribes - wrongly called `Taliban.’
Washington’s incredibly ham-handed efforts to use US $7.5 billion to bribe Pakistan’s feeble, corrupt government and army, take control of military promotions, and get some sort of control over Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, sparked a firestorm of anger. Pakistan’s soldiers are on the verge of revolt.
So, too, Washington’s plans to build a 1,000-person fortress embassy in Islamabad, a consulate in Peshawar that will clearly serve as an intelligence base, and the deployment of growing numbers of US mercenaries in Pakistan.
It’s all a neat circle. Washington says it will need more personnel and a bigger embassy to supervise the distribution of the increased aid to Pakistan, and more mercenaries (aka `contractors’) to protect them.
President Obama has been under intense pressure to expand the war from flag-waving Republicans, much of the media, and the hawkish national security establishment. Israel’s supporters, including many Congressional Democrats, want to see the US seize Pakistan’s nuclear arms and expand the Afghan war into Iran. Israel’s hawkish foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, recently identified Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran as the main threats to Israel.
In 2001, Al-Qaida only numbered 300 members. Most have since been killed. A handful escaped to Pakistan. Only a few remain in Afghanistan. Yet President Obama insists 68,000 or more US troops must stay in Afghanistan to fight al-Qaida and prevent extremists from re-acquiring `terrorist training camps.’
Eric S, Margolis, October 12, 2009

President Obama should admit Taliban is not and never was a threat to the west; that the wildly exaggerated al-Qaida has been mostly eradicated; and that the US-led war in Afghanistan is causing more damage to US interests in the Muslim world – now 25% of all humanity – than Bin Laden and his few rag-tag allies. The bombing in Madrid and London, and conspiracy in Toronto, were all horribly wrongheaded protests by young Muslims against the Afghan War.
We are not going to change the way Afghans treat their women by waging war on them, or bring democracy through rigged elections. We are not going to win hearts and minds by imposing a Communist-dominated Kabul regime on pious Muslims, bombing their villages and sending Marines to kick down their doors and violate their homes.
US Afghan commander Gen. Stanley McChrystal is demanding 40,000-80,000 more troops. Even this number will not win the war in which Washington cannot even define the terms of victory. The only way out of this morass is through a negotiated settlement that enfranchises and includes the Pashtun and their fighting arm, Taliban.
If the Afghan resistance ever gets modern anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, the western occupation forces will be cut off and doomed. Today, they can barely hold on against the lightly-armed Taliban.
I wish President Obama would just declare victory in Afghanistan, withdraw western forces, and hand over security to a multi-national stabilization force from Muslim nations. Good presidents, like good generals, know when to retreat.
This article has originaly been published on October 12, 2009 on ericmargolis.com (http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/afghanistan-a-war-of-lies.aspx - broken link)
AFGHANISTAN: A WAR OF LIES « RAWA News
 
Old 11-30-2009, 06:04 PM
 
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Lots of (hate)threads on CD about Islam and Muslims. Even as it relates to Mr. Obama someone mentions Islam.

Are you guys just scared of something you know nothing about. It's very clear that many of you DO NOT know anything about Islam.



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