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View Poll Results: Was religion established to control people?
Yes 38 62.30%
No 23 37.70%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-01-2009, 03:28 AM
 
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Its a well known fact that Christianity, in its Catholic form, was established to contain a growing movement in the Roman Empire, and to make the people happy, so it was to control the population.

Its one of the reasons the founding fathers established a seperation of church and state. You can't have freedom of religion, and still have the state controlled by one religion.
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:06 AM
 
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Respectfully, I think this thread belongs in the religion forum section.

I prefer the 10 Commandments to, among other things, the 2000-plus page socialist monstrosity otherwise known as the health care reform bill that would force everyone to buy health insurance or face huge fines and likely time in jail.

Thanks just the same, but I'm with the Pope, Fr. Oscar and Msgr. Dan, instead of Pelosi, Reid and Obama. One more thing: Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming is practically the offical state religion of California.

thanks for not addressing the question at all
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:08 AM
 
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I really don't think it's as simple as all that... It's also surely not the case that religion and governance have been synonymous throughout history; the strength of the relationship between the two has varied across time and across cultures. Certainly, there are civilizations in which religion and government were closely related and interdependent, but they were not one and the same except, perhaps, for a few instances.

As for the reason for the creation and evolution of the various religions, since many predate written history it's really speculative. I would wager, and I'm guessing that there's quite a bit of literature in anthropology that would lend support to this, that religions initially arose as a means of explaining the unexplainable. Think about it; ancient societies didn't have modern science, they didn't have the scientific method and most didn't have any formal system of logical reasoning mapped out. The world was big, scary, complex and utterly confusing. Religion provided comfort and seemingly reasonable explanations... as time went on, institutions arose around religion and with those institutions came power and vested interest. And the rest is history.
I think you are confusing the belief in something more powerful than ourselves with organized religion and all its laws
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:15 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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thanks for not addressing the question at all
The pleasure is mine. So far, the majority here doesn't like how you framed the question.
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I believe that the "roots" of religion were the attempts of early man to control an unpredictable enviornment and to grant "blessings" (good hunting, healthy children, etc.) At some point however, religion did become a method of controling large populations. . . . not the original root, but a related evil.
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:19 AM
 
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The only problem with your line of reasoning is Bible prophesy some 2500 years old being fulfilled at the correct time in our recent history (May 14, 1948). It's easy enough to speculate that accounts of prophesy that apply to events in ancient history could have been recorded after the fact. The rebirth of the modern state of Israel defies this explanation and leaves only three possibilities. The first is that the ancient Jews were able to guess some two and a half thousand years into the future when Israel would be reestablished. The second is that Britain, Russia and the US timed the end of WWII to coincide with the required time of Israel's rebirth, or third, God actually does exist and He is in fact the God of the Bible.

Israel's Rebirth in 1948 fortold by Ezekiel

you mean like the bible predicted that the nile river would dry up??

or how egypt will be uninhabited for 40 years?

or how there will be no uncircumcised people in jerusalem?
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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No, that is what Liberalism is currently used for


poor deflection, very weak argument
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:22 AM
 
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Well unfortunately they have been called on the carpet for much of the usual vulgarity, insults, and filth/foul language that in the past characterized many of their posts down in that section and they are not able to publish their religious views there anymore the way they see fit. Hence you should expect a whole lot more of these types of hate threads to surface here and in the Great debates section. Just a heads up.

As far as the Poll, it appears to be slanted for only one option one way or another. But traditionally in the past, religion and politics have been in bed together, so no getting around that. But I think that is about to change soon with secularist religion gaining control and ridding other religious global competition once and for all. That is why Atheistic Evangelism is so on the rise.


i've never posted there sorry but your wrong about that too
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:25 AM
 
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When government and the state religion were one in the same, yes. That is one big reason why our country was founded.

Your question now should be, was our government created by our founding fathers to control people as it is attempting today.

The answer is no and people had better wake up to that fact.

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ummm it was founded on a freedom of and from religion by a group of deists.


Secondly post you own question if you want that answred.....and I imagine you supported the patriot act right?
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:27 AM
 
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Its a well known fact that Christianity, in its Catholic form, was established to contain a growing movement in the Roman Empire, and to make the people happy, so it was to control the population.

Its one of the reasons the founding fathers established a seperation of church and state. You can't have freedom of religion, and still have the state controlled by one religion.
I've been waiting for someone to point that out...........dare we also point out that many people believe the vatican was somewhat behind the nazi movement Can't wait for this backlash but look it up first.
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