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Old 12-02-2009, 02:48 PM
 
Location: just here
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Yeah, heart and leadership, the way great leaders lead their troops into battle.

Obama has none of what it takes, the will, the stones or the bravery.
LOL, ok. But you forget, it's not like the days of yore where presidents were actually in amongst the troops fighting battles w/them. It's a little bit different now...you know, it's 2009.
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:58 PM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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Yes, because Bush has showcased he has such an appetite for the battlefield...oh wait, he's a draft dodger!
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:05 PM
 
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Obama's revealing Afghanistan war speech: 4,582 words and not one of them was 'victory' | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

Obama's revealing Afghanistan war speech: 4,582 words and not one of them was 'victory'



Very disturbing and dangerous.

I like McCain's comment - You win by breaking the enemy's will, NOT by announcing and pull out date.



Well, of course he did. That's what its all about, right?
Well, that would kinda be an important part of the whole deal...
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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LOL, ok. But you forget, it's not like the days of yore where presidents were actually in amongst the troops fighting battles w/them. It's a little bit different now...you know, it's 2009.
Please. You know I don't mean that. He needs to lead them, inspire them, tell them that they will achieve victory - lead, in other words.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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RealClearPolitics - This Will Not End Well

This Will Not End Well

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Having vowed to "finish the job," Obama revealed Tuesday that he thinks the job in Afghanistan is to get out of Afghanistan. This is an unserious policy.

George Orwell said the quickest way to end a war is to lose it. But Obama's half-hearted embrace of a half-baked nonstrategy -- briefly feinting toward the Taliban (or al-Qaeda, or a "syndicate of terror") while lunging for the exit ramp -- makes a protracted loss probable.
Due to this artificial timetable of obama's, I'm starting to agree with will.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:20 PM
 
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Please. You know I don't mean that. He needs to lead them, inspire them, tell them that they will achieve victory - lead, in other words.
You say lead, I say lie.

It's becoming clear to the president and the leadership just as it's already been abundantly clear to everyone that the best we can hope for in Afghanistan is a marginally less failed state, just as it became clear that the best we could hope for in Iraq was a mostly corrupt psuedo-democracy in which parties are paid not to massacre one another.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:23 PM
 
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You say lead, I say lie.

It's becoming clear to the president and the leadership just as it's already been abundantly clear to everyone that the best we can hope for in Afghanistan is a marginally less failed state, just as it became clear that the best we could hope for in Iraq was a mostly corrupt psuedo-democracy in which parties are paid not to massacre one another.
You remember these key words in our country's infancy?

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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.
A small foothold is what democracy needs to overwhelm despots, dictators and oppression...
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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Kill em with kindness
You see, that right there is troubling. You want to kill them. That is the "solution" that millions of other people resort to...and it never works.

The goal is peace, isn't it? How does killing them (or anybody for that matter) accomplish that? Or is peace not your goal at all? Is it victory only when you hold your opponent's severed head in one hand and a sword in the other? Is war just about killing the enemies? If so, no wonder they hate us, no wonder there's a war. This kind of thinking only feeds more war and destruction.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:29 PM
 
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You remember these key words in our country's infancy?
The situations are not analogous at all. The colonists made a conscious decision that they would not be ruled by the Crown any more and would establish a Republic. They were simply fuzzy on the details.

Afghanistan and Iraq(and Iran, Syria, Jordan for that matter) can only come to Western liberal Democracy when there is a grass-roots paradigm shift. Our guys with M4s can neither spur nor facilitate such a thing.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You remember these key words in our country's infancy?
A small foothold is what democracy needs to overwhelm despots, dictators and oppression...
We can thank the Lord that these types, including obama, weren't in control when it came time to lead.
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