Capital Punishment in the United States (Texas, problems, security, society)
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If it were true, would it not be true for all states without the DP. I have shown that not to be true.
For example, Iowa's murder rate is higher than Nebraska.
Any sample will be better the more people are included. Care to average DP states vs. non-DP states? Care especially to weight the extent to which the death penalty is actually used in each state and see what the results then would be?
I don't have the time to do that, and I'm guessing you don't have the incentive.
Either way, it is Nebraska with the higher murder rate than Iowa.
Michigan and Indiana are outliers.
Most of the southern states have high murder rates and those are the states with the death penalty.
I took my data from the FBI UCR. Your site says they take their data from the FBI UCR.
Table 20 - Crime in the United States 2008 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_20.html - broken link)
So Michigan and Indiana are outliers because you don't like the numbers?
I already mentioned the southern states having a higher crime rate but I think most would agree that it has much more to do with illegal immigrants and drug trafficking than the DP.
Any sample will be better the more people are included. Care to average DP states vs. non-DP states? Care especially to weight the extent to which the death penalty is actually used in each state and see what the results then would be?
I don't have the time to do that, and I'm guessing you don't have the incentive.
Let me make this easy on you.
Neither NJ nor ND have the death penalty.
NJ violent crime rate is 355.7 per 100,000 according to 2004 numbers.
ND violent crime rate is 79.4 per 100,000 according to 2004 numbers
I took my data from the FBI UCR. Your site says they take their data from the FBI UCR.
Table 20 - Crime in the United States 2008 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_20.html - broken link)
So Michigan and Indiana are outliers because you don't like the numbers?
I already mentioned the southern states having a higher crime rate but I think most would agree that it has much more to do with illegal immigrants and drug trafficking than the DP.
I went to the Omaha police reports. Omaha had 42 murders from January 2008 through November 2008, so 22 murders in Nebraska could not have been accurate, unless you discount Omaha:http://www.co.douglas.ne.us/omaha/po...-08offense.pdf
I never said the death penalty was the cause of high murder rates. I said that the death penalty doesn't work to deter crime. That is why I brought up the Southern states. The death penalty is there and the southern states have always had the highest violent crime rates in the USA, and the South has never had a high immigrant population.
And I will admit it, I am against the death penalty.
Lets us look for example at some neighboring, similar states.
Nebraska and Iowa
Nebraska has the DP and Iowa does not.
Nebraska population is 1.78 million
Iowa population is 3 million
Nebraska 2008 murders were 22
Iowa 2008 murders were 74
Iowa without the DP has a higher murder rate.
Uh, Nebraska might have the death penalty, but it rarely uses it and there is a fair amount of discussion regarding the abolition of capital punishment in Nebraska.
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